Football season

hi matt,
as i understand it we (whufc) do not own tevez outright although he is contracted to the club.
the consortium which dropped us in it have the last say on where he goes and id imagine they would want as much as possible, £20 million is being rumoured. wether west ham get first refusal to sign him permanently remains to be seen. i would love to see him stay but we have got to be realistic and think that a massive club would pay that sort of dosh for him.
my guess is that he will probably go abroad because as i understand it he (teves) has stopped learning english. we will have to wait and see. as for paying sheff utd compensation - thats highly unlikely as whu will not make a penny from the deal for reasons stated above.
tevez kept us up and whatever happens to him we will be eternally grateful for what he did and wish him all the best.
scotty

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Originally posted by rackkit:
Bunch of cheating b'tards. End of.

And what evidence do you have for this assertion?

I would be intwerested in hearing it. Have you bothered to red the Premier League ruling or have you got all your info from that twisted cretin on the Express?

Pretty much all pro sport is full of cheats & cheating. Where to start?
Drug taking, match fixing, spread betting, diving/feigning injury to get an opponent sent off, feigning injury 'cos your losing & have had players sent off, etc etc etc. No, its not right. Its all down to money. The more at stake, the more risks are taken.
The hammers admitted their guilt, & were punished for it, which is more than I can say for lots of other instances of cheating.
WHU did not decide & administer their own punishment. If you want to have a go, have a go at the tribunal who set & administered the punishment.
I have sympathy for the genuine supporters of the clubs relegated, seeing them on tv is painful. But they were relegated because their teams played consistantly crap footy. WHU did for a lot of the time, even with Tevez in the team. But we dug ourselves out, & deserve to be in the premiership, by playing great footy for the last couple of months. The other teams didn't.
End of.
Matt.

KevinW
I have
Here is the report that decided the cheating, lying bastards should get away with it.

http://www.premierleague.com/public/downloads/publications/PL270407final.txt

For those of us who can merely aspire to the Prem. but wouldn't wish to be in it in its current form I have to say this season has had few highlights. If I had to choose a few then it would be

a) seeing Carlos Edwards score regularly with either foot at Sunderland and seeing a clearly excellent team go up.

b) seeing Leeds go down and into administration.

c) seeing the Boston cheats and criminals dumped out of the Football League by Wrexham.

d) enjoying the rise of Scunthorpe United and Colchester United.

The Premiership??? All about money and ego and killing footballing traditions. The real stuff goes on elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:


And what evidence do you have for this assertion?

I would be intwerested in hearing it. Have you bothered to red the Premier League ruling or have you got all your info from that twisted cretin on the Express?

So you got a 5m fine for fielding players with poor haircuts or was it anything to do with signing 2 players that are owned by a 3rd party which even the pussyfooting Premier Lge chiefs ruled was illegal - hence the fine.

Points should have been deducted too but your club can afford bigger lawyers than the Prem lge - unless you pay up your fine pronto.

You can talk all you like about winning the 7 out of the last 9 games but Tevez played a big part in that revival.

Enjoy your stay in the Premiership but always rememeber that it's a tainted one.

And you know it too.

YAWN!
different people have different opinions and i can accept that BUT this continuing WHINGEING about the west ham saga. for fucks sake get over it. its done n dusted - sorted on the pitch where it should be.
sheff utd - charlton - watford are all down cos they were crap for most of the season. west ham put a run together that just about saved their bacon and that was enough to keep them up.
the premier league should be chasing terence brown and paul aldridge the former chairman/vice cm who instigated the whole argies deal in the first place and now have run away and are hiding somewhere warm and sunny.!!
lets put this whole thing to bed now and look forward to next season.
WE ARE STAYING UP! - WE ARE STAYING UP!

Tevez is going. You're for the drop next season cos without him you're crap.

Yeah, lets sort it out on the pitch - using players who shouldn't even be on the pitch.

bob , ratchit.
get a life !

WestHam - the new Leeds. Everyone loathes them!

and we dont care............

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Originally posted by bob mccluckie:
KevinW
I have
Here is the report that decided the cheating, lying bastards should get away with it.

http://www.premierleague.com/public/downloads/publications/PL270407final.txt

Very good Bob. You can cut 'n' paste weblinks. Now try reading the document. The stage after that, which is obviously the one that's giving you some difficulty, is to think about what it actually says.

The PL's indepenent panel never found us (WHU) guilty of fielding ineligible players. There was nothing wrong with CT and JM's registration. Nor is 3rd party ownership illegal under the rules. What the (previous) WHU regime was guilty of was lying and failing to submit the correct paperwork. We got fined £5.5m for doing so.

So how have we "got away with it"? And what is "it" exactly?

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Originally posted by rackkit:
Yeah, lets sort it out on the pitch - using players who shouldn't even be on the pitch.

Rakkit: See above post.

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Originally posted by bob mccluckie:
WestHam - the new Leeds. Everyone loathes them!

Nah, I still think Leeds are the new Leeds. In the prem, we can never hope to achieve the levels of loathing attained by Chelsea FC.

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Originally posted by rackkit:

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin-W:


And what evidence do you have for this assertion?

I would be intwerested in hearing it. Have you bothered to red the Premier League ruling or have you got all your info from that twisted cretin on the Express?

So you got a 5m fine for fielding players with poor haircuts or was it anything to do with signing 2 players that are owned by a 3rd party which even the pussyfooting Premier Lge chiefs ruled was illegal - hence the fine.

Points should have been deducted too but your club can afford bigger lawyers than the Prem lge - unless you pay up your fine pronto.

You can talk all you like about winning the 7 out of the last 9 games but Tevez played a big part in that revival.

Enjoy your stay in the Premiership but always rememeber that it's a tainted one.

And you know it too.

The stench of hypocrisy surrounding this affair is becoming unbearable.

To be lectured on morality by the likes of Dave Whelan - a man found guilty of price-fixing in his wretched retail sheds and condemned by human rights groups for using child slave labour in the pariah state of Burma - is quite frankly laughable.

Also, Sheffield Utd deserved to be relegated anyway on aesthetic grounds for their lumpy, cynical football and their unpleasant, ever-whingeing manager.

Nobody complained about Tevez before he scored a goal (and I think he went about 19 games before finding the back of he net). It was only when Tevez - along with other key players such as Noble, Neill, Collins, Green and Zamora - started to find their feet when Wigan, SUFC, Fulham and the rest, who all suddenly found themselves in the relegation scrap decided to get all uppity. Self-serving hypocrites!

There was a very good piece in today's Times by Martin Samuel (a Hammers fan, all your conspiricy theorists out there!), which can be found here

He makes some very good points, and puts the Early Day Motion, signed by a number of MPs, including that well-known liar and bully Blunkett, into perspective.

Alan Curbishley also deserves great credit, for knocking a ragged team of lazy underachievers into shape and for maintaining his dignity in the face of a torrent of bile from some sections of the media and bitter, holier-than-thou fans of rival strugglers. Eggert likewise. Both are honest men, unlike many of their accusers.

So spare us all your mawkish sanctimony, eh? It's getting a bit boring.

well said kev.
one more thing id like to point out :
no-ones bothered about liverpool fielding a reserve side against fulham. had liverpool beaten fulham which was highly likely if they were playing a strong squad then they (fulham) would have gone down and sheff utd stayed up!!
i bet there would have been no fuss on this matter had the hammers gone down on sunday.
leeds go into voluntary liquidation to save millions,bates buys leeds back at cut price the next day - no mention of this though.
none of this matters i guess to some blinkered people - like banging your head against a wall.

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:
Also, Sheffield Utd deserved to be relegated anyway on aesthetic grounds for their lumpy, cynical football and their unpleasant, ever-whingeing manager.

A bit harsh I feel - Neil Warnock is an entertainer and at least he appears on MOTD. I thought Fulham should have gone down as they only stayed up because they beat Liverpool reserves. Warnock said nothing about the final positions that I've heard other than Sheff. United didn't get enough points. Isn't it odd that the three teams with the least points always seem to get relegated - hmm could be a conspiracy there

Personally, I wanted the teams to go down that wouldn't come straight back up again like Charlton - that way there's a better chance for us next season. However, that may be a selfish view.

Still my predictions were wrong again - I've tipped Arsenal to go down every season and it still hasn't happened.

Football is strange - Pearce sacked but stayed up, Jewel goes but stayed up - Wise went down and still has a job. Be nice to see Swindon turn Leeds over next year; BTW why didn't they have the 10 points deducted at the start of next season.

ROFT,

We must go to the same bookies, I predict Newcastle to win the league every year!

Wounds healing slowly after castration. Big Sam's black and white army etc. Titus could have been a contender, shame the consitency was not there.

Regards

Nic

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Originally posted by ROTF:

Still my predictions were wrong again - I've tipped Arsenal to go down every season and it still hasn't happened.

...Some might have noted I had a go at West Ham a few weeks back purely because I was becoming sick of the media's obsession with their plight. i.e. their relegation battle not the Tevez argument

I was informed (probably quite rightly) that it wasn't the Hammers fan's fault that a London based media obsessed overly over one club rather than the others in a similar relegation battle.

I now have to admit that I have some sympathy with WHU ....of course they should have been docked points but that was a Premier League cock up not of the current WHU boards making .. Wigan's Chairman's wailings miss the obvious point ...if Wigan had won more games they wouldn't have needed to bleat on about deducted points. perhaps Whelan would be better off asking the Wigan public if they even care about having a Premier League team given their pathetically low attendances.

And whilst we discuss hypocrisy how come Big Sam and Arry' Redknapp et al' are still lauded as "great" managers despite the pretty convincing evidence of their involvement in bung situations?

And ...how come Newcastle ship out their reserve team coach based on comparatively pretty flimsy evidence yet appoint the obviously tainted Big Sam only months later?
even by Freddie Shepherd's standards that's pretty sick.



...Football eh?

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Originally posted by Jet Johnson:

And ...how come Newcastle ship out their reserve team coach based on comparatively pretty flimsy evidence yet appoint the obviously tainted Big Sam only months later?
even by Freddie Shepherd's standards that's pretty sick.


...Football eh?

Jet,

Clearly we agree over this issue. Fat Freddie a man beyond reproach......My arse

Regards

Nic

My god Nic we agree! ...I didn't want my post to sound like a cheap anti-mag rant ...plenty of time for that next season!

..The irony is football wise FFS might just have made the right appt in BSA (I know you feel he may be a long ball merchant) but mebbe's that was prompted by a comparative lack of funds whilst at Bolton.
....Surely his famed "pro-zone" approach will cut down on the injuries NUFC squads have suffered for some years now? and he's already kicked out most of your "defensive" unit.

What will be interesting next season North East wise is that we all (inc Boro)seem to be starting with a similar amount of spending money - which hasn't happened since before KK was your manager.

...In fact The Times has forcast SAFC will have a bigger kitty (!?)

I guess all our managers will be in the market for similar players - mebbe's another reason why FFS got rid of Roeder ...due to his perceived charisma bypass?

All in all the most interesting close season in a long time awaits!

jet,
nice to see a sensible approach at last !
all of these problems could have been solved ages ago if only the premier league and the fa had any teeth or backbone. WHUFC would have taken our punishment on the chin (even points deduction)but THEY chose not to do so and the rest is history.
as you say lets look forward to a great and interesting new season.-see you there.
regards, scotty. COME ON YOU IRONS!

p.s.
this seasons now over please refer to new season thread from now on.
i know,i know it hasnt started yet but......