Credo's -How far from Wall?
Posted by: Pearcy on 27 April 2003
Hi (1st post!),
My Credo's, Nait5 & FC2 will be arriving tomorrow (My CD5 is already here!).
My listening room is about 11ft x 9.5ft, with the speaker on the longer wall with a fairly large chimney breast inbetween them. What is the best distance from the rear wall for Credo's?
-btw, I'm not a hi-fi newbie! -I've had Kans/bricks for many years, so I know I may have to play around as each room/system is different, but what is a good starting point?
+I assume Credo's like being 'flat' to the wall instead of slightly toed in?
Cheers,
Matt
My Credo's, Nait5 & FC2 will be arriving tomorrow (My CD5 is already here!).
My listening room is about 11ft x 9.5ft, with the speaker on the longer wall with a fairly large chimney breast inbetween them. What is the best distance from the rear wall for Credo's?
-btw, I'm not a hi-fi newbie! -I've had Kans/bricks for many years, so I know I may have to play around as each room/system is different, but what is a good starting point?
+I assume Credo's like being 'flat' to the wall instead of slightly toed in?
Cheers,
Matt
Posted on: 27 April 2003 by NB
Matt,
Welcome to the forum.
Naim speakers tend to work well being placed about a foot from the rear wall and placed flat against the wall.
However everyone's ears are different and what works well for one person doesn't for the next.
Start by placing your Credo's about six foot appart, one foot from the rear and flat against the wall. When you have tried this, move the credo's arround until you find a set up that you prefer.
It took me many hours of listening until I found the perfect speaker placement for me.
Regards
NB
Welcome to the forum.
Naim speakers tend to work well being placed about a foot from the rear wall and placed flat against the wall.
However everyone's ears are different and what works well for one person doesn't for the next.
Start by placing your Credo's about six foot appart, one foot from the rear and flat against the wall. When you have tried this, move the credo's arround until you find a set up that you prefer.
It took me many hours of listening until I found the perfect speaker placement for me.
Regards
NB
Posted on: 27 April 2003 by Jay
Hi Matt
Congratulations on the purchase.
NB's bang on the money. The only other thing I'd mention as a Credo user is that they don't appear to like anything between them (apart from air
). So please try them without the chimney between them. I understand that may not be practical but the benefits could well be worth a room re-think.
Couple of other things. Credo's like to be as low and level to the floor as practically possible and...once you've decided on positioning...siting them in philips head screws into the floor.
Good luck.
Jay
Congratulations on the purchase.
NB's bang on the money. The only other thing I'd mention as a Credo user is that they don't appear to like anything between them (apart from air
Couple of other things. Credo's like to be as low and level to the floor as practically possible and...once you've decided on positioning...siting them in philips head screws into the floor.
Good luck.
Jay
Posted on: 27 April 2003 by Pearcy
Thanks for the replies -I'll start at 12" then... -the chimney breast is around 14" deep, so shouldn't be too much in the way I wouldn't have thought.
Unfortunately, there is only 1 way round I can position kit in my current listening room -speakers each side of chimney breast with the kit on the right hand wall. I already have a seperate mains spur etc in the room.
Oh, & making sure the Credo's are as low as possible may be a problem -as they'll have 3x mana soundstages underneath them
Unfortunately, there is only 1 way round I can position kit in my current listening room -speakers each side of chimney breast with the kit on the right hand wall. I already have a seperate mains spur etc in the room.
Oh, & making sure the Credo's are as low as possible may be a problem -as they'll have 3x mana soundstages underneath them
Posted on: 27 April 2003 by NB
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Oh, & making sure the Credo's are as low as possible may be a problem -as they'll have 3x mana soundstages underneath them
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May I suggest you try it with and with out the soundstages and see which you prefer. It may be the Credo's work better without them.
Regards
NB
Oh, & making sure the Credo's are as low as possible may be a problem -as they'll have 3x mana soundstages underneath them
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May I suggest you try it with and with out the soundstages and see which you prefer. It may be the Credo's work better without them.
Regards
NB
Posted on: 27 April 2003 by Pearcy
Maybe, but every pair of speakers I've heard so far sound 'broken' without at least 1 pair of s/s underneath -the bass ususally driving the floor & becoming 'muddled' in more complicated sections of music.
In fact, my bi-amped Kan2's were producing enough bass to even worry my friends isobariks when @ phase3! -but clean bass though, with no boom or overhang...
BTW -I don't wish to turn this thread into a Mana discussion.
Whether or not the mana effect is for you is entirely a personal thing, but what I would say is that everyone should at least try a pair of sound bases under their speakers -some manufacturers such as PMC even recommend that you do.
In fact, my bi-amped Kan2's were producing enough bass to even worry my friends isobariks when @ phase3! -but clean bass though, with no boom or overhang...
BTW -I don't wish to turn this thread into a Mana discussion.
Whether or not the mana effect is for you is entirely a personal thing, but what I would say is that everyone should at least try a pair of sound bases under their speakers -some manufacturers such as PMC even recommend that you do.
Posted on: 30 April 2003 by Pearcy
Hmm, interesting about the x-over hanging loose! -I would imagine the electronic circuitry within the x-over benefits from reduced vibration when not screwed directly against the cabinet... benefits of isolation etc etc 
I'll try it later
BTW -they are currently set up @ 12" from wall & 'flat' & seem to be performing quite well considering the equipment is still warming up -initially the bass was a bit 'flabby' but I rectified that with some tweaking of the bottom spikes & tightening of the allen bolts on the bass driver.
I'll let everything warm up & settle in for about a week & then think about moving them back an inch or 2 to see if there is an improvement or not.
I'll try it later
BTW -they are currently set up @ 12" from wall & 'flat' & seem to be performing quite well considering the equipment is still warming up -initially the bass was a bit 'flabby' but I rectified that with some tweaking of the bottom spikes & tightening of the allen bolts on the bass driver.
I'll let everything warm up & settle in for about a week & then think about moving them back an inch or 2 to see if there is an improvement or not.
Posted on: 30 April 2003 by Jay
Sounds good.
Just one other. The bolts holding the leaf suspension at the bottom rear of Credos should be just over finger tight NOT really tight.
Jay
Just one other. The bolts holding the leaf suspension at the bottom rear of Credos should be just over finger tight NOT really tight.
Jay
Posted on: 30 April 2003 by Mark Dunn
Hi Pearcy:
I have Credos with LP12/Aro/DV-XV1/Hi-Cap/102 ('S' boards)/250 and NACA5.
For best results, the proximity to the wall really depends quite a lot on how solid the wall is. Credos are designed to work near to OR away from walls. In my (dedicated) room the best results have them over 3.5' from any wall, with marginal toe-in. Getting them completely solidly mounted is *absolutely* crucial to their performance and I made my own plinths to accomplish this. In my experience, Sound Bases were a poor match, - I suspect due to the Credos leaf spring suspension.
Best Regards,
Mark Dunn
I have Credos with LP12/Aro/DV-XV1/Hi-Cap/102 ('S' boards)/250 and NACA5.
For best results, the proximity to the wall really depends quite a lot on how solid the wall is. Credos are designed to work near to OR away from walls. In my (dedicated) room the best results have them over 3.5' from any wall, with marginal toe-in. Getting them completely solidly mounted is *absolutely* crucial to their performance and I made my own plinths to accomplish this. In my experience, Sound Bases were a poor match, - I suspect due to the Credos leaf spring suspension.
Best Regards,
Mark Dunn