Should Married Couples Have The Same Rights As Unmarried Couples?

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Definately not! They made their bloody beds, so they can lie on them, innit*


Fritz von This is not a love song*

I thought if you lived with a woman for two years she then became your common law wife, with a whole rack of entitlements. What extra is this going to give them ?

It depends on what rights you think should be conferred on couples.

John, innit, asterisks, EW von...

At the very least they should be required by law to take their pets with them when they leave, or get thrown out.

This is the sole reason why prenups exist...

There is no concept of a common-law wife in England (though there is in Scotland) hence the 'need' for change.

The CSA exists to enforce parental financial liability already - although it does the job poorly. I think that the main right needed now is the ability to leave possessions to another person without any Inheritance Tax liability, as can happen currently only between married couples.

Why this right should be restricted to couples of any formulation is unclear to me. Why shouldn't it simply be the right of any individual?

Fraser

Un-enforcable prenups brandished by not recogonised at law common law partners can only end in tears

Civil Partnerships
The Civil Partnership Act 2004 comes into force on 5 December 2005. This will enable same-sex couples to obtain legal recognition of their relationship. Couples who form a civil partnership will have a new legal status, that of ‘civil partner’.

Civil partners will have equal treatment in a wide range of legal matters with married couples, including:

Tax, including inheritance tax.
Employment Benefits.
Most state and occupational pension benefits.
Income related benefits, tax credits and child support.
Duty to provide reasonable maintenance for your civil partners and any children of the family.
Ability to apply for parental responsibility for your civil partner’s child.
Inheritance of a tenancy agreement.
Recognition under intestacy rules.
Access to fatal accidents compensation.
Protection from domestic violence.
Recognition from immigration and nationality purposes.
When civil partnership is introduced there will be important changes affecting same-sex couples who claim income related benefits, regardless of whether the couple decide to form a civil partnership.

In order to form a civil partnership you must first give notice. You can give notice of your intention to form a civil partnership from 5 December 2005 and the earliest a civil partnership can be formed is 21 December 2005. A civil partnership can be formed in England and Wales at a register office or an approved premise.

The General Register Office has information on the process and costs of forming a civil partnership.

The above does not apply to heterosexual couples.

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Originally posted by Beano:
Civil Partnerships
The Civil Partnership Act 2004 comes into force on 5 December 2005. This will enable same-sex couples to obtain legal recognition of their relationship. Couples who form a civil partnership will have a new legal status, that of ‘civil partner’.

Civil partners will have equal treatment in a wide range of legal matters with married couples, including:

Tax, including inheritance tax.
Employment Benefits.
Most state and occupational pension benefits.
Income related benefits, tax credits and child support.
Duty to provide reasonable maintenance for your civil partners and any children of the family.
Ability to apply for parental responsibility for your civil partner’s child.
Inheritance of a tenancy agreement.
Recognition under intestacy rules.
Access to fatal accidents compensation.
Protection from domestic violence.
Recognition from immigration and nationality purposes.
When civil partnership is introduced there will be important changes affecting same-sex couples who claim income related benefits, regardless of whether the couple decide to form a civil partnership.

In order to form a civil partnership you must first give notice. You can give notice of your intention to form a civil partnership from 5 December 2005 and the earliest a civil partnership can be formed is 21 December 2005. A civil partnership can be formed in England and Wales at a register office or an approved premise.

The General Register Office has information on the process and costs of forming a civil partnership.

Surely the bit highlighted in bold is referring to married couples? And equal treatment be it same sex or married.

I incline to think the law shouldn't involve itself in the politics of couples; I'm also inclined to incline against anything that encourages marriage, since it is a source of copious misery throughout the world.

People make too much of a trifle when it comes to personal relationships. If you want to live with someone then live with them, if you don't then don't. If you did but don't want to now then don't do it anymore. And that's it.

EW von simple innit, asterisks, John, etc...

If people are stupid and insecure enough to marry in the first place they deserve everything the law throws at them, and more*


Fritz von Blatant hypocrisy and all kids are little bastards anyway like it or not*

Then they try to become respectable bouncers, but are basically just daft thugs*

I'm pleased I was right about Our Forum (entity) Bruce Lee the bouncer being an absolute Prize Plonker, I'm sure he'll soon be teaching CSO's how to be hooligans as well*


Fritz von Yes I can just imagine them swapping wripping yarns over designer Yankee beer in poxy little bottles*

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
all kids are little bastards anyway like it or not*

Indeed, although no one asks to be born so perhaps a little pity is called for.

Earwicker von some thick fuckers don't seem to have figured out where babies come from, John, asterisks, innit...** etc

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

quote:

Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
all kids are little bastards anyway like it or not*

Indeed, although no one asks to be born so perhaps a little pity is called for.

Earwicker von some thick fuckers don't seem to have figured out where babies come from, John, asterisks, innit...** etc

I didn't say that they were unwanted, or indeed unplanned, I just said they're all little bastards*

Fritz von The thick fuckers are often the best parents in my view*

Beano
if you think that you are wrong. Hence the government considering extending the rights to cohabiting straight couples.

I may well be interpreting it wrong Bob, as I've read it a dozen or more times, and it's not making sense. Perhaps It needs rephrasing.

I think it should read... Civil Partners will Have the same legal rights as straight married couples. Which isn't ambiguous IMO.

Beano

I find it amazing that the above folk (as do many others and I don't mean this negatively) can't suss this rocket science without debate!

Fritz von Take:-

1 decent baking tray (covered in GP paper)
Co0ver it with (frozen) pastry puff or what you like.
Paste on well thick Dijon mustard all over.

Totally cover with slices of semi-mature Gouder/Chedder or similar.

Totally cover that with freshly sliced thick tomatoes.

Then chopped black olives, crushed garlic, mixed in olive oil (Cretian) chuck it all over.

Sprinkle fresh Thyme over the shop:

Bung in thingy at 200 for 30 (arf a click)

Turn oven off, go to pub, get wrecked to the extent of your choice, return to best late night munchies of all time.

Go to work with 4 hours kip, unshaven and impress your new boss with a close up eye to eye chat about your latest ideas on how to improve company IT systems, ie, fire present mob, and (I ain't sayin nuffin)*


Goodnight*

Plus whenever you're asked to do the washing, always read the label.




Beano

As I put that on here some 3 months back Beano me old Dandy, perhaps some should read this forum too as well on occassion, even if it is silly old Fritz and his racist anti-semetic rantins as 7Up the Agenda Boy likes to tell everybody when she's feelin macho*


Fritz von I do hope Our Tony & Cherie are well relaxed with Our Luigi's pals too! (talk about fleeting friendships)*

P,S. Just had some really black dark chocolate 80% cocoa & red wine after some of this and that to-boot, wonderful for the nerves after a particularly tough day (I'd never handle a Notts Night Nash though)*

I' it was blagged off here, quite apt for the thread me thinks.

Beano

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Originally posted by Beano:
I' it was blagged of here, quite apt for the thread me thinks.

Beano

By Gadds My Good Man and decent Egg no doubt, I'm afraid I reeally can't allow such distasteful elements and ballying as er, honesty on this ere forum Chummy! it just isn't er, cricket, issit Dave*



Fritz von Now run along and give yersen six o'the beast and make it sharpish, well loud at least, and no snivelling, I'll not tolerate snivelling*

This just came in via an anonymous link from the Nottingham Police Service?

I ain't sayin nuffink, more than me jobsworth John*

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Originally posted by IanGtoo:
Grr.. stories like that make it very hard to be a decent liberal. Sometimes the gut intervenes and gives one (ok me) the feeling that the world would be a little less mad if the the shit-ette had gotten a good kicking.

Ian
(who feels better now...)

Sounds like a job for the US Marine Corps Jim, though being uniformed they'll naturally be rewarded with medals, unlike Our poor old Doorman down the local Yates's Wine Lodge, innit*


Fritz von Lucky there's only one side to every story innit, ie, Fathers for Justice! Wotta loada Terrorist Wankers*


Where's the Mercy?


Hang em:

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Originally posted by Jay:

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Originally posted by blythe:
The warning bleep probably saved me (and them)

Good point. I'm forever backing over people!

British Army landrovers here and there come to mind (Make sure the poor bugger's dead, I really didn't mean to hit him/her but we can't have bloody compensation claims left right and centre now can we!


Fritz von Goodnight (Fredders read and learn Old chap)*


P.S. 2 Jags's G&F Flat has been slagged by PE for Yonks (and he's still in office) so will Bullshit� Blunkett also play the white man, or will he be forced to? (you read it first here believe me)

As if anybody cared a Jot anyway*

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Originally posted by CPeter:
Vegas,

Jokes are supposed to make you laugh, not depressed (I'm talking about your last one)

Peter

Don't Fret Boy, What do Africans know anyway?


Fritz von Doris Lessing's worth a read though and plenty more, innit Boss*

Boxers unite***