Religion survives by indoctrination of children shocker...
Posted by: Mike Dudley on 08 January 2010
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
There is no noun that cannot be verbed, didn't you know that?
Of course there will be no need of faith when the item of faith is supported by evidence, but so what? There is no evidence and no need for faith. Millions have and do get along perfectly well without it OR "god" and that being the case, I can't see any possible use for either of the vacuous nonsenses, personally.
I await your response to the "Haiti" proposition...
Of course there will be no need of faith when the item of faith is supported by evidence, but so what? There is no evidence and no need for faith. Millions have and do get along perfectly well without it OR "god" and that being the case, I can't see any possible use for either of the vacuous nonsenses, personally.
I await your response to the "Haiti" proposition...
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by u5227470736789524
from the Hi-Fi room
[QUOTE] Mike Dudley discusses audio cables:
"I think there's a lot to be said for the idea that we simply don't have the means to "measure" what is taking place. That does not mean that nothing is taking place, however..." [QUOTE}
Ah, there we go, faith in all its glory. Belief is just a very short jump from there, me thinks.
Jeff A
[QUOTE] Mike Dudley discusses audio cables:
"I think there's a lot to be said for the idea that we simply don't have the means to "measure" what is taking place. That does not mean that nothing is taking place, however..." [QUOTE}
Ah, there we go, faith in all its glory. Belief is just a very short jump from there, me thinks.
Jeff A
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Simon Perry
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...s/article6988700.ece
Faith schools. A great way to segregate kids early on the basis of a fantasy faith. Discuss.
Faith schools. A great way to segregate kids early on the basis of a fantasy faith. Discuss.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
Yes, I was waiting for that. Not as clever as you think.
The HFi system and cabling are actually, demonstrably there and are producing an effect.
Unlike god, who cannot be demonstrated to be there to be able to produce anything at all.
Must Do Better.
Now go away.
The HFi system and cabling are actually, demonstrably there and are producing an effect.
Unlike god, who cannot be demonstrated to be there to be able to produce anything at all.
Must Do Better.
Now go away.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by u5227470736789439
quote:Yes, I was waiting for that. Not as clever as you think.
The HFi system and cabling are actually, demonstrably there and are producing an effect.
Now this really is an example of "unevidenced" (sic) rubbish!
Get a grip, Mike. you are begining to look like an ass!
ATB from George
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by u5227470736789524
quote:Originally posted by Mike Dudley:
Now go away.
That is not demonstrably possible as you have scientifically proven here:
Mike Dudley: [QUOTE]'And with that, I'm outtahere." [QUOTE]
Oh, and then again here:
Mike Dudley: [QUOTE} "Now I really am outahere" [QUOTE}
By the evidence you have presented, it is impossible for me to leave. Sorry.
Have a great day, Mike. I have learned a lot from you, you have my sincere thanks.
kindest, and evidently, truthful regards
Jeff A
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by FlyMe
three problems of defintion going a
on here...
What does the word "evidence" mean?
What does the word "god" mean?
What does the word "sin" mean?
The different posters appear to have totally different understandings of these three words and so do not have a common language and are talking "past" each other not "to" each other.
on here...
What does the word "evidence" mean?
What does the word "god" mean?
What does the word "sin" mean?
The different posters appear to have totally different understandings of these three words and so do not have a common language and are talking "past" each other not "to" each other.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by DanielP
quote:Originally posted by Don Atkinson:quote:You're still missing the point.
Consider people who commit murder (a sin) in the US
Nope! i'm not. I was very clear about the boundaries of my argument - here in the UK, and now. Not 500 years ago. Not the USA.
Don
Sorry, but you are missing the point
. I ran your answer by my brother-in- law, a low Anglican minisiter, and he agrees that you don't know what "hate the sin, love the sinner" means (I'd add that we don't agree on very much.) Reread the posts or get someone to explain it to you.Best regards,
Daniel
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by droodzilla
quote:Originally posted by Mike Dudley:
Yes, I was waiting for that. Not as clever as you think.
The HFi system and cabling are actually, demonstrably there and are producing an effect.
Unlike god, who cannot be demonstrated to be there to be able to produce anything at all.
Must Do Better.
Now go away.
Hi Mike. I don't think it's as clearcut as you make out. I accept that the cases are not identical, but there are similarities. If I read your post on cables right, you're saying that you can hear a difference (an improvement) in the sound, which you attribute to the process of "burn-in", conceding this is not measurable (yet). But I'm sure that a majority of professional scientists (electrical engineers, especially, but also audio psychologists) are sceptical of the idea that there is any such process - if not downright hostile. There are also plenty of listeners who cannot hear a difference between cables.
So, you are willing to back the subjective impressions of your own ears, against the subjective impressions of other listeners, and a well-established scientific theory that appears to leave no room for your explanatory hypothesis ("burn-in"). I'm not saying you're wrong to do that, but there is an element of faith or hope in your stance - that science will one day progress to the point where it can detect, model, and measure the burn in process. You cannot know that will happen, as no-one can really predict how science will develop.
The difference between the cable and the (religious) faith case is that science *might* one day detect and measure burn-in (at least, it seems *possible*), whereas, it's hard to see how any empirical evidence or logical deduction could ever demonstrate the existence of "God". My personal belief is that there is no such evidence or logical proof, but that faith is permissible nonetheless (I'm careful not to say "faith in God", as I prefer not to use the G word).
Just out of curiosity Mike - what's your attitude to double-blind tests of hi-fi kit?
Regards
Nigel
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
quote:Originally posted by GFFJ:quote:Yes, I was waiting for that. Not as clever as you think.
The HFi system and cabling are actually, demonstrably there and are producing an effect.
Now this really is an example of "unevidenced" (sic) rubbish!
Get a grip, Mike. you are begining to look like an ass!
ATB from George
So, my HiFi system does not exist, according to you. Remarkable. Being able to put CD's on seems a very good example of evidence that it does, to me...
That the cabling burn-in seems to be producing an effect (from something demonstrably "there" ie: the HiFi system) is an interesting experience and, as it is from a real object that exists in 4 dimensional spacetime, seems attributable to something that actually, proveably, exists.
Still with me, or shall I repeat it slowly for you?
So, unlike my HiFi, "god" cannot be proved to exist, as there is no evidence. To attribute any experience of change in reality to an apparently non-existent intelligence is, therefore, not the same thing as the previous proposition.
Why that is unclear to you, I do not know. Perhaps you're just thick.
By the way, as you're such a stickler for correct grammar, you should know that "sinility" (ref: your wanky post on the other thread) is not a proper word...
Now, have you managed to think of a rejoinder to the "Haiti" proposition that I raised earlier? Or are you just avoiding it?
Take your time.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Mike Dudley
I take it you are gay and a member of Outrage!?
I take it you are gay and a member of Outrage!?
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
Do you really? Extraordinary.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:Originally posted by Mike Dudley:
So, my HiFi system does not exist, according to you....
You seem to have missed the fact that he is talking about the effect of cable burn-in, rather than the existance of your hifi.
"Why that is unclear to you, I do not know. Perhaps you're just thick.", to coin an phrase.
quote:Now, have you managed to think of a rejoinder to the "Haiti" proposition that I raised earlier? Or are you just avoiding it?
Take your time.
Slight edge of Dictatorship there, Mike. Maybe its just too deep a question to be answered by mere hifi nerds? The Jews still seem to be thriving despite their pasting under the Nazis.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:Originally posted by Mike Dudley:
Do you really? Extraordinary.
Is that a yes or a no?
Your aggresive stance towards anything that you deem to be anti-Gay ( which does not actually mean it is anti-Gay ) makes me think so.
Perfectly reasonable question, really.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Paper Plane
quote:Originally posted by Mike Lacey:
Mike Dudley
I take it you are gay and a member of Outrage!?
And should Mike be gay, then what is the relevance to this discussion?
steve
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
I said: "The HFi system and cabling are actually, demonstrably there..."
He said: "Now this really is an example of "unevidenced" (sic) rubbish! "
He also said: "Get a grip, Mike. you are begining to look like an ass!"
Which made me want to control my urge to argue empirically, know what I mean?
He said: "Now this really is an example of "unevidenced" (sic) rubbish! "
He also said: "Get a grip, Mike. you are begining to look like an ass!"
Which made me want to control my urge to argue empirically, know what I mean?
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Steve
Read Duds' posts.
He take massive and aggressive exception to those Religions who see homosexuality as a Sin, or who, like the Buddhists, do not see homosexuality as being compatible with their faith. This was very well explained above.
M
Read Duds' posts.
He take massive and aggressive exception to those Religions who see homosexuality as a Sin, or who, like the Buddhists, do not see homosexuality as being compatible with their faith. This was very well explained above.
M
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
quote:Originally posted by Paper Plane:quote:Originally posted by Mike Lacey:
Mike Dudley
I take it you are gay and a member of Outrage!?
And should Mike be gay, then what is the relevance to this discussion?
steve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gAlxfNBWvY
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
I don't think anyone bothers clicking on YouTube links.
I've not looked at any you've put into this thread, and I know others take the same view.
I've not looked at any you've put into this thread, and I know others take the same view.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
Haiti.
I am beginning to think that I have posted a proposition to which the faithfull do not have an answer.
Well, well...
I'm outtahere. (Must listen to some music on my non-existant HiFi).
For now.
I am beginning to think that I have posted a proposition to which the faithfull do not have an answer.
Well, well...
I'm outtahere. (Must listen to some music on my non-existant HiFi).
For now.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
quote:Originally posted by Mike Lacey:
I don't think anyone bothers clicking on YouTube links.
I've not looked at any you've put into this thread, and I know others take the same view.
Gee, you're boring.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
I have answered. You've ignored, again. And nobody has said that your hifi does not exist, as has been pointed out. And ignored by you.
Really not doing as well as you'd like to think, are you?
Points in favour of Religion:
The Faithful live longer
The Religious live longer
Them pesky Gods...
Talking about the answer side of things - third time now: are you gay, do you belong to Outrage!?
Really not doing as well as you'd like to think, are you?
Points in favour of Religion:
The Faithful live longer
The Religious live longer
Them pesky Gods...
Talking about the answer side of things - third time now: are you gay, do you belong to Outrage!?
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
"nobody has said that your hifi does not exist"
Posted Sat 16 January 2010 20:00 Hide Post
I said: "The HFi system and cabling are actually, demonstrably there..."
He said: "Now this really is an example of "unevidenced" (sic) rubbish! "
Seems to be saying: "Your HiFi does not exist".
I'm just fine, thanks for asking!
Still no counter-argument to my Haiti proposition (just some glib comment from you...)
You're SO demanding!
Kiss kiss.
Posted Sat 16 January 2010 20:00 Hide Post
I said: "The HFi system and cabling are actually, demonstrably there..."
He said: "Now this really is an example of "unevidenced" (sic) rubbish! "
Seems to be saying: "Your HiFi does not exist".
I'm just fine, thanks for asking!
Still no counter-argument to my Haiti proposition (just some glib comment from you...)
You're SO demanding!
Kiss kiss.
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
You view my comment as "glib", but its prefectly valid. Too big a question for mere mortals to answer.
Why are you not replying to my question? Are you Gay, and are you a member of Outrage!?
Why are you not replying to my question? Are you Gay, and are you a member of Outrage!?
Posted on: 16 January 2010 by Mike Dudley
Are you transexual? Are you a member of the Conservative Party?