Ensemble honeytable?!

Posted by: Bas V on 09 February 2001

Hi!

Does anybody know the Ensemble honeytable? I saw one s/hand for UKP85. Now I know my CDI needs a good support, but due to some major upgrades, I cannot afford a new rack from one of the better brands right now.

This device was a plate of some kind of rubber on 4 spikes. It looked pretty solid. Could it be any good?

And, are there any other tips regarding setting up of the CDI?

Regards Bas

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by Phil Barry
Well, I tried Mana, didn't like it. Later comments indicated I didn't set it up right, so I got interested again...then heard about other high end tables...now I'm wondering if the Table sellers are taking lessons from the Cable sellers.

Paul, Mark - save us - build Naim tables - priced like NACA5.

Phil

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by Eric Barry
So, if it's 5 feet tall, at $6/ft, that's $30. I'd go for that. Even if you got charged by the leg, with 4 legs, I'd pay $120 for a Naim stand.

--Eric

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by ken c
quote:
Paul, Mark - save us - build Naim tables - priced like NACA5.


yes. i have said same in quite a few of my postings on equipment supports...


enjoy...

ken

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by Arye_Gur
Phil and Eric,

For the cost of the leading stands, I think Naim can manufacture a stand, the hi prices give the ability to contain Naim high quality and responsibility to customers in this area too.
I think (only a guess) that manufacturing an arm for a TT deals with the same problems as a stand deals with.

I imagine my CDi and 72 on a Naim stand - look beatiful, don't you think ?

Arie

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by Andrew Randle
quote:
I imagine my CDi and 72 on a Naim stand - look beatiful, don't you think ?

That all depends on Paul Stephenson's metal/wood working skills don't you think?

Andrew

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Posted on: 09 February 2001 by Phil Barry
Maybe I shouldn't have been so quick with my request - I just got a picture in my mind of a 5-tier stand made of extruded aluminum - crinkly, black, with chrome edges and little dots of green or red (customer choice).

And I was thinking $5/foot, too. That should be enough.

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by ian123running
My CDI is on a FleXy Table:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/flexye.html

Sounds good, miles better than the coffee table it was on before, which was itself much better than an old SO table.

I built two in a morning (3 shelf and 4 shelf) for about £60 total.

Ian

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by Simon B
Ian,
Sounds interesting and quite easy to make. Just one question where did you get the 18mm di. threaded bars from?

Simon

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by Bas V
Okay, very nice.

BUT, does anybody know the Ensemble????

Posted on: 09 February 2001 by ian123running
Simon,

I used 20mm instead of 18mm, from a good local tool / fastenings shop. You'll need to look beyond B&Q for this stuff. I could find neither the hardeware nor drills in 18mm - just doesn't seem to be a standard size here. 16mm would also have been possible but may have looked rather slender.

I couldn't find rubber washers - apparently hot water bottle bung washers would do but the chap nearly fell over when I said I needed 42. So I cut out some old bike inner tubes but that's not ideal. I'm sure more persistance would pay off but I wanted to get this done quickly.

The finishing touch is to get some cap nuts to finish off the tops of the bars but these are harder to find.

I got some damping sheets from Halfords (car accessory store) - Dynamat self adhesive sheets for use damping car body panels (with some rather amazing claims for what the stuff can do for car audio).

Its easy to build. Cut the MDF out and clamp it together to drill the holes so they line up. Chamfer the edges. I painted the boards black.

I haven't yet fitted spikes but should probably try this sometime.

Actually bulding it is very quick.

To 'quantify' the effect - I guess I had always been a bit of a stands sceptic, but I was quite amazed at the effect this made compared to either a coffee table or an old SO table. It was a better upgrade than when I tried adding a HiCap to the 42-5 on the old table.

The CDI does seem very sensitive to support.

Note I've not compared to any high end stands, and the rest of the system is 42-5 / 140 / Rega Alya (ie not super-demanding)

Ugo,

Yes it's great that they're upgradeable to make space for even more black boxes.... just undo the nuts, and re-space the shelves. It would be worth allowing for this when by cutting the threaded bars long.


Ian

Posted on: 11 February 2001 by ian123running
Ugo,


Thanks for the tip about the rubber washers. By 'rubber retailer' do you mean neoprene / wet suit gear?

Next time I need to re-build I'll sort this out.

I used a self-adhesive sheets called Dynamat Original. www.dynamat.com

This was from a car accessory retailer - sold to reduce body panels distorting and hence improve in-car HiFi - 'to minimise unwanted vibration and reduce road noise'

The sheets are some sort of dense compound, about 2mm thick I suppose, cut out and stuck to the lower surface of the shelves. I didn't do any tests without so can't comment on the effect.(obviously now it's too late as it's stuck down).

They also do other types including 'Extreme Dynamat' with '4 times the damping efficiency of Original'. Oh no, another upgrade route!


Thanks,

Ian

Posted on: 11 February 2001 by Bas V
Okay, thanks Richard. I think I'll give it a try then!

Greetz, Bas

Posted on: 11 February 2001 by Bas V
Hi Rich,

I have heard of a pole checker like that of Van Medevoort for DFL20,- at Praxis. I was thinking of buying that. A better choice or not?

Groeten, Bas