Nait 2

Up until your mentioning it, I hadn't realised that Naim ever offered a non-phono version. Your statement...

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...hopefully it will sound "board pulled" compared to the MM version.

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I have a nice Ortofon MC and have been thinking that an external phono stage into a line level input would represent a much better upgrade than a transformer into the existing phono stage.

Thanks,

Craig
Wishing that the mammoth task of posting the complete stories of the history of Naim's products would bear some fruit.

[This message was edited by Craig on WEDNESDAY 29 August 2001 at 00:10.]

It's £1800 though.

I have two number plates and keep an eye on prices.

The above number is only worth £400.00 max. That is a total rip off.

Regards

Mick

T88KAN

it's probably the double 8's that make it desireable.

Still, it would look well cool as a crud-guard on Tony's shiny mountain bike!

Rico - ok, the Kans are sorted, now whatabout the rainforests?

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Could you describe the connections round back of your newly acquired CDNAIT2? My phono version uses gold plated RCAs for the phono input and the usual DINs for Tuner, Tape and Aux. I assume that on your CDNAIT2, the CD input takes the place of the existing MMNAIT2s Aux DIN input and the phono inputs are configured for Aux?

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No, the CD input is through the RCA connectors. It is literally the phono stage without the phono stage if you see what I mean. The trouble is that Naim have for some reason nobbled that input, it is far quieter and seems to have a treble roll off so is as stands of little use, the specs in the manual indicate that this is a deliberately quieter input, so it isn't that mine is knackered. The CD input sounds like the NA328 "crap line input" boards for the 32.5. Naim's logic in deliberately making a poor sounding input has always eluded me, no matter how crap early CD players sounded two wrongs seldom make a right.

When I eventually get round to getting it recapped (I reckon its still got a year on the clock!)I plan to ask Naim if they can remove the nobbling and make it a straight through input, otherwise I won't be able to keep my Walkman Pro patched in as I need all the good sounding inputs for the other sources (Out board phono stage / CD / TV).

Looking at the circuit board I think I can see what needs to be bypassed, there are some resistors just behind the RCA sockets looking very guilty indeed, but I don't have the electronic knowledge nor motivation to attempt this myself - I will see if Naim can do it. The circuit board seems that it is the same for both versions of the Nait, there are a lot of blank holes and link wires on the CD Nait where I guess the phono stage is installed.

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Also on sale at LOOT is the numberplate T88 KAN

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I don't drive, though I would have thought KAN 2 was the plate to be seen with.

Tony.

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Naim's logic in deliberately making a poor sounding input has always eluded me, no matter how crap early CD players sounded two wrongs seldom make a right.

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Tony,

I have to agree with you here, particularly in the case of the CDNAIT2, as Naim's own players at the time included the CDS and CDI.

One could, of course, argure the point that the non-phono version needed to be accomodating for those entering the Naim market that wished to keep their existing low end mass market player and, at the same time, allow a 'non-nobbled' input via the AUX DIN for those with a better (read Naim) CD source. This logic, however, goes against Naims own source first dogma, and leaves someone like yourself, who expected 4 'proper' line level inputs, somewhat out in the cold.

I wonder how many prospective CDNAIT2 purchasers passed on the amp due to hearing the effect of the 'input labeled as CD' upon a half decent player.

Maybe Naim should have labeled the inputs 'Naim CD' and 'Crap CD'!

Craig
Could 1825 Naim Forum members randomly pounding on 1825 keyboards eventually write the complete history of Naim's products?

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Nait2 - Mad Volume control

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I have to admit that I have found little difference between the position of my Nait 1, Nait 2, and 32.5s volume knobs. I always find I am listening to my CD or TV at somewhere between twenty and quarter to. Kans ain't the most efficient speakers, so if I had some 90+DB monster I guess it could be a real problem.

I love the idea that with the Nait 5 and 112 you can as I understand it actually set the gain of each input individually. Assuming there is no trade off in sound that’s a feature I have wanted for years.

Tony.

PS if anyone is looking for a Nait 2, one hit loot today for £165 and there is another as a part of a system.

I've slowed down the operation of the remote volume control so it's very slow. On a brief tryout this seems to make adjusting CD volume much less of a pain.

We'll soon see if it's much more of a pain to adjust vinyl.

This can be done to any early 52 or 82, and details of this mod are available via search on the forum if anyone else wants to do it.

cheers, Martin

P.S. amazing the tonal differences between Arcam Alpha/Black box/NAITii & CDSii/52/135s! Methinks the PS's need some running in!

The independant gain adjustment on the 112 I use is bloody marvellous - one of the best useability features Naim have ever added to their equipment.

There's no detrimental sonic effect, since (I assume, by a process of logical deduction) that all it is doing is effectively creating an offset to the volume setting for each input.

Since these units use an electronically controlled resistor ladder it's very easy to implement - there's no additional components in the signal path needed to add this feature.

The other bonus is perfect channel balance down to inaudible levels - another old bug-bear.

Andy.