Who will be affected by tommorows law?

A possible screensaver to remind all around of your new responsibilities

I'll definately be effected for the better. I can drink my pint in a safe environment

So your home is no longer yours if someone else comes in to do some work? Can you not do what you like in your own home?
Seems as if personal rights are rapidly sliding down the slippery slope.
Does not the contracted worker have the right to just leave if they don't like the smoke?
Sounds like it is time for you good citizens to stand up to the gaggle of lawyers trying to force you into good behavior.
David

Dear Dave,

Given that if a burglar hurts themselves trying to enter a British home, for example by falling into an unfenced swimming pool [fairly rare but they do exist in UK] that they can sue for damages, then I think it is arguable that the rights to do what we like in our own homes has been being eroded for some time. Personally I am of the view that there are too many laws already and this new one is simply another in the pathetic march towards the days of big brother, brought in by the most meddlesome government the UK has yet seen. Real change from the "new" Mr Brown would involve revoking much of this nonesense from the odious man Mr Blair, and his meddling administration. Mr Brown has of course been a linch pin in the previous administration. Time will tell...

I am fairly sure this is a trend that would not even be reversed if Mr Cammeron were to be elected by now. Britain has forgotten what common sense is.

The law should obviously allow for someone entering a home to leave without a problem if they find that the smoke, [or maggots in the bin, smelly Water Closets, or whatever are or] is not something they can tolerate, but the whole thing is gradually turning topsy turvy!

ATB from Fredrik

There will be a few flared tempers in the night clubs, no doubt!

I will not stop smoking in my own home because of workers visiting.

I cycle and don't drive, if i have to inhale their car fumes then they can inhale my smoke.

Regards, Steve

I agree with Fredrik, why weren't the establishments allowed to make up their own minds whether they want to be a Smoking or non smoking environment. This government bang on about choice but all they try to do is dictate what you can or can't do, but thats Socialism for ya. Roll on 1984 and call me Winston.



Dean..

Maybe I'm imagining this, but in my younger, less healthful years, incendiary substances nearly always tasted better when consumed outdoors, as was the case with the original indigenous cultures. At least in the U.S., these regulations have created a newer smoking culture that hangs out in the back beer garden–but appreciates the benefits of a smoke-free interior.

Problem is, your European governments have become so big and regulation-heavy that simple rules like this morph into serious attacks on your personal activities–there is no spirit in the law. This is entirely your own fault, as you've let it happen–moderation of toxins is a difficult thing to legislate, whereas outright bans are quite easy, and easier to sell to extremists. (Of course, we have idiot cowboys running the show over here for whom the rule of law is meaningless anyway. This is also our fault, as we've let this happen.)

However, at least over here, restauranteurs have discovered that the bans have not had nearly the negative effect that was expected (quit smoking, gain weight or eat more?).

Dear David,

I am not sure it really is something that the people of the UK have passively let happen, so much as politicians, who really are the most self-serving wretches yet devised, seeking to justify their existence by ever increasing the amount of futile legislation they inflict on us, and yes, always elected in UK on a minority of the the vote of the electorate because they would not want to set a proper arrangement with Proportional Representation.

These slimey reptiles are like some horrible cancer on the nation - an inoperable malignant tumour - which we cannot even demonstrate about anymore as that would impinge on further New Labour legislation brought in as a result of an over-hyped terroristic threat.

If the terror threat were worse in UK today than in the days of the IRA then surely more people not less would be perishing in UK as a result of the current terrorists. But why let a little bit of common sense get in the way of a nice new law to repress the citizenry. The UK is heading rapidly towards madness, and yet short of mass civil disobediance, what can be done? Most peoople will not rock the boat, but rather just phlegmatically accept it, till there is no freedom or choice left for anyone outside governement...

ATB from Fredrik

If I had my way I would ban smoking completely. There are only two reasons why people smoke:

1/ They are stupid enough to start in the first place

2/ They are too weak willed to give up.

There are no other reasons.

Why indulge their addiction at the expense of the innocent? Smoking is a filthy dirty habit that causes a disgusting and unhealthy stench. The only joy a smoker gets from smoking is the temporary relief of the withdrawal symptoms. The sheer effing nerve of smokers to bang on about freedoms being eroded by a nanny state beggars belief - if you want to indulge in filthy dirty habits DO IT IN YOUR OWN HOME and don't inflict other people with your disgusting stench. At last decent people can go out and enjoy a drink or meal without having to be polluted by the stench mongers.

The only downside to the ban on smoking in public places is having to see the witless fools indulging in their dirty habit on the streets. Is there anything more pathetic than the sight of these wretched addicts huddled together in dirty little groups outside buildings even in the pouring rain? Their stench is everywhere. It is high time smokers were treated as criminals.

Acad I am talking about smoking in my own home, and frankly it is my own business what I do there. I am fed up to the high teeth having it explained to me how stupid I am by you or anyone else. I know it well enough for myself. To be stupid is nothing other than to be human, but ot be tolerant is one stage further in human developement...

Let me state the simple facts. At 35 I took smoking up in place of the possibility of ever aquiring enough of a pension to live even above the poverty line once I am too feeble to work. I reckon it will hopefully prevent me living beyond the age I could possibly work in my mid 70s... I should make it clear that I would decline any treatment if I fell to cancer, except for pain relief. In fact there is no medical condition I would go under the surgeon's the knife for in any circumstance, ever.

I enjoy it. I smoke about a quarter of an ounce of rolling tabcco in two days, which is roughly ten taylormade cigarttes a day, though less full of the chemicals that keep the taylormades burning between puffs. I don't smoke in restaurants, non-smokers houses, or in front of children. I feel no guilt about smoking in my own home, so please do try to get off the high horse. It is intolerant and unlike you in so many ways. Most of all I enjoy it. I can go days without a cigarette, and enjoys others smoking round me as much as smoking myself...

ATB from Fredrik

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Their stench is everywhere. It is high time smokers were treated as criminals.

Yep, let's put smokers on the same level as say, Islamic Fundamentalists crashing cars into airports or, for that matter, any other scum that choose to break the law....

Acad, chill out.

I am a non smoker too but I don't quite have the venom to condemn smokers as criminals.

Having said that, and off topic slightly...., I do have enough passion to hope that the government toughens up on those bastards (who are always very eager to confirm their British Citizenship) that are currently waging a campaign of terrorism on our country.

But that's a whole new topic...

Regards, Ian

Regards, Ian

I used to smoke, but smoke smell in houses stinks something rotten so I have never smoked in the house. Now I don't smoke I can fully understand why an non smoking electrician for instance may not want to work in a house full of smoke. However I feel the onus should be on the electrician to decide he does not want to work there, not make it illegal to smoke in your own home.

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Originally posted by garyi:
Now I don't smoke I can fully understand why an non smoking electrician for instance may not want to work in a house full of smoke.

And when the work get's tight (which it will) they will have no choice round my drum.

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The UK is heading rapidly towards madness, and yet short of mass civil disobediance, what can be done? Most peoople will not rock the boat, but rather just phlegmatically accept it, till there is no freedom or choice left for anyone outside governement...

ATB from Fredrik

Fredrik, you are absolutely right.

There is such a feeling around the UK that you daren't speak your mind about things that are so glaringly obvious, so you end up not saying anything in case you rock the boat and some politically/ethnically-correct twat takes offence.

And yet if you talk to any, honest, law abiding, fourth generation UK citizen, you will find dismay and total depression at the way the “UK” is heading.

Smoking a crime, give me a break.

Regards, non-smoking Ian

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And when the work get's tight (which it will) they will have no choice round my drum.

Ha, ha! I know what you mean Stephen.

In my business (fashion photography), if I told my client to put his cigarette out while I was shooting, I'd never work in the industry again.

And work's hard enough to get/hold on to as it is....

A couple of windows open, a fan blowing, what's the problem?

Ian

Acad for Prime Minister. Its about time someone spoke their mind instead of pussy footing around so-called delicate issues.

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Originally posted by NaimDropper:

Sounds like it is time for you good citizens to stand up to the gaggle of lawyers trying to force you into good behavior.

Just exactly what the fuck has any of this got to do with lawyers?

Your government made the rule. Their executive will probably enforce it.

So whoever does that enforcing (Police, Dept of Health...) are going to be the ones doing the forcing.

Best thing ever to happen to England.

Good to see it falling in line behind the rest of the countries.

Stop smokers passively hurting the people working in public places.

Roy.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
If I had my way I would ban smoking completely. There are only two reasons why people smoke:

1/ They are stupid enough to start in the first place

2/ They are too weak willed to give up.

There are no other reasons.

Very good Acad

smoking is absolutely forbidden in most buildings in california. however a couple of weeks ago i went to a local bar to see a friend's blues band, and everybody in the place was smoking.

although i quit 19 years ago, and second-hand smoke sometimes bothers me (as do many other annoyances), i don't see why the police have to get involved in such things.

however, i can see why a waitress or other employee at such a place would object.

i would defend one's right to smoke and one's right not to be around smoke as competing rights, but the legislature and police should be discouraged from further activities.

i like the rule that for each law passed, another has to be deleted. it'll never happen, though ....

fredrik -

not to rain on your parade, but my mother is 87 and has smoked non-filter cigarettes for about 70 years. she's in perfect health.

as ever,

artie

Dear Artie, Bouger! Fredrik.

PS: I will be enjoying it for a long time is that unfortunate scenario arrises! My GP thought that given my fitness, etc I would probably survive into my 80s after an examination earlier this year. She gave me at least five years longer if I gave the weed up. I guess I should double up, but I only enjoy a little smoke, not more!

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Originally posted by fidelio:
fredrik -

not to rain on your parade, but my mother is 87 and has smoked non-filter cigarettes for about 70 years. she's in perfect health.

as ever,

artie

Unfortunately there are many more who died unnecessarily, prematurely, from the effects of their smoking. My father-in-law, his brother and father are among them. I assure you it's not pretty watching a loved one disintegrating and then dying in a fit of hallucinatory agony over a prolonged period. And still my wife refuses to stop it. Maybe there's a gene making one susceptible to the repulsive habit that also switches off one's common sense.

Their will be more people dying of obesity.

When i walk round around town, i would say about two thirds are obese and are in poor health, smoking aside.

Being bombarded by radio waves is another.

There so many other things that are just as bad as smoking - miserable, clueless do gooders is another.
Don't get me wrong - smoking is bad and should be in designated areas, but so is no common sense and people who want to live forever draining even more from the planet.

regards, Steve

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I assure you it's not pretty watching a loved one disintegrating and then dying in a fit of hallucinatory agony over a prolonged period.

Absolutely, I had to watch my mother slowly succumb to the effects of dementia and she never smoked a day in her life.

There are no guarantees.