Dubstep
Posted by: Simon Drake on 11 January 2010
Not sure if any of you particularly care about the current Dubstep counter-movement. ???
But thought you might enjoy this complete bootleg (which I can deal with in this case!) remix of William Fitzsimmons by a well known remixer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXhBY5hl1QPosted on: 13 January 2010 by Simon Drake
obviously not!
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by Paper Plane
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Originally posted by Simon Drake:
obviously not!
Think you may be right.
steve (who
certainly isn't.
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by Lontano
Sorry Simon - dubstep is not for me!
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by reubs1981
Conversely, I love Dubstep, but have no interest in Fitzsimmons.
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by Officer DBL
Now that was interesting, and it gave my HD650s a good old work out in the bass frequencies. There is something very much to like about the remix, but I am not sure it would tranlate to well onto the speaker based system.
Thank you for the link Simon.
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by Lontano
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Originally posted by Lontano:
Sorry Simon - dubstep is not for me!
Quite enjoyed this though.
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by Guido Fawkes
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Originally posted by Simon Drake:
obviously not!
I don't care - sorry! Though the track you picked is not bad.
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by BigH47
Names enough to put me off, the sounds confirm it.
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by Bananahead
Finally got round to caring.
And I care a lot.
Got diverted.
Like the
Level 67 track.
Posted on: 13 January 2010 by Guido Fawkes
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Names enough to put me off
Agree any artist's name that contains
vs. is unlikely to find its way in to my collection, as I immediately associate it with rap.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by reubs1981
Good to see we're all open minded
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by BigH47
Quote: "Good to see we're all open minded"
Why that comment? Lack of help I assume a negative one.
The "dissenters" have said they (we) have listened and said "no not for me".Should we have to listen to every track before we make up our minds?
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by mongo
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Originally posted by reubs1981:
Good to see we're all open minded
Having listened. Just different minded; very.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by reubs1981
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Originally posted by BigH47:
Quote: "Good to see we're all open minded"
Why that comment? Lack of help I assume a negative one.
The "dissenters" have said they (we) have listened and said "no not for me".Should we have to listen to every track before we make up our minds?
No, we shouyldn't have to listen to every track to make up our minds. However, a comment such as 'vs. is unlikely to find its way in to my collection, as I immediately associate it with rap' does suggest an unwillingness to try a specific genre, suggesting close-mindedness. I enjoy the What Are You Listening To? thread, and have found some music I love from there, after trawling through pages and pages of Genesis/Pink Floyd, and happily leaving people to it.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Howlinhounddog
I enjoyed it, thanks Simon
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Simon Drake
Well it certainly divides opinion!
The musical snob in me says I shouldn't like dubstep. Perhaps the more minimal stuff (like the Fitzsimmons remix) could have been made by any kid with a laptop. (the fact its a good Fitz song helps)
But the remixers spearheading the genres commercial representation such as Rusko, Caspa and Nero I think are very clever indeed! And certainly deserve to be there.
I find it fascinating! You've got major labels breaking bands and making them look independent off the success of remixes that diffuse through midnight radio into the mainstream. Its working for them, and in most cases, the remixes are far more interesting than the radio edits! The rise of Ellie Goulding is a perfect example.
I feel that Dubstep, love it or hate it musically, is a breath of fresh air commercially!
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by mongo
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Originally posted by Simon Drake:
Well it certainly divides opinion!
The musical snob in me says I shouldn't like dubstep. Perhaps the more minimal stuff (like the Fitzsimmons remix) could have been made by any kid with a laptop. (the fact its a good Fitz song helps)
But the remixers spearheading the genres commercial representation such as Rusko, Caspa and Nero I think are very clever indeed! And certainly deserve to be there.
I find it fascinating! You've got major labels breaking bands and making them look independent off the success of remixes that diffuse through midnight radio into the mainstream. Its working for them, and in most cases, the remixes are far more interesting than the radio edits! The rise of Ellie Goulding is a perfect example.
I feel that Dubstep, love it or hate it musically, is a breath of fresh air commercially!
Forgive me but, if you love it then it may well be a breath of fresh air.
If hated then it must be rather foul air, or at least a little pungent.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Whizzkid
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Simon Drake
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Originally posted by mongo:
Forgive me but, if you love it then it may well be a breath of fresh air.
If hated then it must be rather foul air, or at least a little pungent.
yes, musically!
but its also a great marketing tool for those how have nothing to do with dubstep! it'll help music we might like, reach our ears (even if we don't like the remixes!)- dubstep has become so 'cool' that its brought remix culture back with it.
Aside from subjectivity of the music itself! In my eyes, all exposure to new music is great, whether or not we decide we like it or not.
And thanks Whizzkid. Thats a great lesson in grassroots Dubstep!!!
I like the minimal stuff, but am most excited about the bigger productions that are following them. Its going to have a huge effect on pop production in the next two years.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Chief Chirpa
Simon, you've got to be kidding!
Caspa and Rusko are awful, and the whole '
brostep' thing that they seem to be at the head of looks set to give dubstep a bad name in 2010. Their more commercial, speeded-up tunes are the equivalent of 90s happy hardcore - just shockingly bad. Science fact.
Let's be honest though, loads of the darker-sounding dubstep these days is boring. There's plenty of great tracks in Dean's post, but even some of the usual suspects aren't what they were, and no one could actually dance to most of it. I posted Shackleton's 3EPs in 'What are you listening to now' yesterday, then deleted it as I took it off after ten minutes - not happening. For me, all the music around that has an obvious, but often subtle dubstep influence - anything from Martyn's
Great Lengths to The XX - is much more interesting just now.
You make a good point about major labels giving their new artists some credibility with some (un)authorised remixes and a little viral marketing, and it's cool that someone like Ellie Goulding (who, unlike yourself, I'd not even heard of a few weeks ago) has worked on tracks with the likes of Burial and Frankmusik. The most obvious example of a dubstep producer breaking a now mainstream artist is Skream, I suppose. His
remix of 'In For the Kill' was (and is) played everywhere because it's just a great track. Yeah, I'm as much a music snob as anyone, but I don't mind saying I kind of like La Roux. As for Ollie Jones, I can't believe he's still only about 21, he must have made his album when he was about 17 - one smart kid.
Lastly... William who? Not really my thing, but I read a great review of his album somewhere - 'makes Bon Iver sound like Girls Aloud', or something. Heh heh.
Dean, safe bruv! It's a Croydon thing.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Whizzkid
Nice one bruv, thats one sick writeup there f'sure, peace.
To be honest I'm a little out of step
with the recent Dubstep scene as I've been preoccupied with other genres but must check out whats happening and see if your conclusions ring true and its gone a bit Grime in losing its way as a musical force.
Dean...
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Simon Drake
fortunately nothing is Fact in Music.
When Music and Art in general stops being subjective is when I'll find something else to do with my time!
I think Commercial Urban and Dance is tired and needs a shake up. I'd rather listen to Rusko or Caspa on the radio than Basshunter and Cascada. (I hope you'd agree with that).
And, yes, Universal's clever use of Skream's reputation to stuff La Roux down our throats was very well thought out! it is a great remix.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Chief Chirpa
Simon, I thought you might like to read this amusing article from The Grauniad's Simon Reynolds:
"Is Caspa the Guy Ritchie of dubstep?":
"With these tracks it's as though both halves of the word "dubstep" have been crossed out: the rhythm, void of all traces of Jamaica or UK garage, is neither skanking nor skippy but a slow stampede, like gabba on cough syrup." He likes him as much as me then!
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Originally posted by Simon Drake:
fortunately nothing is Fact in Music.
When Music and Art in general stops being subjective is when I'll find something else to do with my time!
True. I always enjoy reading your posts as you must listen to more new music than anyone else here (loving the Delphic album - I remember you mentioning them a couple of months ago) and I'll always take a look.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by Simon Drake
I am not sure I'd enjoy his album either :S
But I respect him as a remixer.
Inevitably, people get stick when they cross over and sometimes it will expose the lack of magic therein. You could well be right!
Glad you like Delphic. Everything Everything will be next on the Mancunian progressive indie disco tip. Pls do check them out if you haven't already - very odd.
Even wierder - Kid Adrift. No record deal yet. Where post-dub step bedroom production and folk collide. You might like/hate it. Lemme know.
Posted on: 14 January 2010 by reubs1981
Some great links to dubstep artists and producers on here. I don't mind Caspa and Ruslo - if you want to hear something in a club, they are going to tear it down. Then you can listen to your Burial/2562/Martyn at home and get really zoned out. And yes, Skream is amazing - his new album will rule when it comes out.
