iPhone/iPod Issue

Its simple PCS. In order to comply with the rules as set up by stupid american music companies the ipod must not be able to transfer music between computers. After all I could trot into your house as a mate, dig a load of you music, pile it on my ipod and stick it on my mac when I get home.

The music ASS of America did not like this. So it has to be restricted in order that Apple can sell tunes on the itunes store.

You may feel fully justified in your feeling, but then you are American and probably have a flag and all sorts

Anyway Apples restriction is very very easily circumvented with literally thousands of free softwares which will happily take your music off the ipod. First port of call for you laddy is the ipod lounge.

Just FYI this restriction copies over to the appletv as you could reasonably steel music with that too so if your harddrive on your computer goes tits, and you are so stupid you don't have a back up, you ain't getting it from the AppleTV.


Now then as you are probably incandescent, I suggest you sell the iPhone and see if yo can find anything, and I mean ANYTHING that comes close.

Garyi's right PC, you can blame this one on the music industry, not Apple. There are pretty easy workarounds for iPods, but I haven't tried it with an iPhone.

quote:

Its simple PCS. In order to comply with the rules as set up by stupid american music companies the ipod must not be able to transfer music between computers.

I have a Yamaha hard disk CD recorder - you record to hard disk, create an album and burn to CD. Directly it has burnt the CD, it deletes the music from the HD album so that you can't burn a 2nd and 3rd and ... CD without have to recreate the album from scratch. It is not just Apple who have to follow these silly rules.

If you have a Mac, there's a program called Senuti that will do exactly what you're after. No idea if a similar program exists for Windows users.

quote:

Originally posted by garyi:
After all I could trot into your house as a mate, dig a load of you music, pile it on my ipod and stick it on my mac when I get home.

You sure could if it was anything but an iPod.

quote:

Originally posted by garyi:


Now then as you are probably incandescent, I suggest you sell the iPhone and see if yo can find anything, and I mean ANYTHING that comes close.

NO WAY!!! Best device ever made. I wouldn't get rid of it for anything.

quote:

Originally posted by garyi:

you are American and probably have a flag and all sorts

Anyway Apples restriction is very very easily circumvented with literally thousands of free softwares which will happily take your music off the ipod.

Am I proud to be American??? Well only in so much as I would be proud that my parents f$%&ed here. Dont own a flag.... sorry to disappoint.

Also, can you point me in the direction of this "free" software. three hours on both Google and the iLounge did not get me anywhere close.

Lastly, how is this an RIAA or "American" problem? All other Mp3 players I have owned, or seen, work just like any flash drive. On and off however you want.
Secondly, the USA has much less stringent laws surrounding copyright laws than say the UK. Not sure what you are implying there.
Lastly, I couldn't care any less about where the company that makes the iPod is headquartered, and it is not a factor that drives why I cant transfer my music from my iPhone to my work computer.

In fact it is Apple shooting themselves in the foot if their goal is for me to use iTunes in the slight chance I might buy something from them.

I can understand why you wouldnt be able to move music you bought from iTunes, but I thought the DRM issue solves that, at least it did.

I dont really use iPhone as a Pod, but I do have 5-6 GBs of V0s i converted so I could have some mobile music.

Just thought it was ridiculous I couldn't put it on my work computer.

Thanks for the tip Doc Mark. Unfortunately my work 'puter is a PC.

It is just funny that iTunes will allow you to burn as much as you want to CD, but you cant transfer from your device?

Once again, I have never seen any other player, from Zune's, Dell, and countless others that dont allow this.

Zune dell and countless others arn't in any kind of agreement with the music companies PCS, come on work this one through.

iTunes is bigger than amazon for music sales. Its a MEDIUM for music. Look at it as copy protection, its what it is.

Zune, Dell and the likes are like a not very good betamax, no one gives a shit.

Go and buy something else then!

Give the man a break - all he wanted you to say was something like

Connect the iPod to your PC. If iTunes starts syncing (ie erasing) your music automatically, hit the X in the upper right hand corner of iTunes display, to the left of the search box, to stop it.

In Control Panel, Portable Media Devices, double-click your iPod.

In the Tools menu -> Options, in the View Tab, check "Show hidden files and folders."

Navigate to the Music folder. The full path is something like

Portable Media Devices\PCS'S IPOD (F: )\iPod_Control\Music

Select all the music folders, and drag and drop them into a folder on your hard drive, or directly into iTunes.

I don't have a PC to try it

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bull:
Go and buy something else then!

Go to another thread Bull!!!!

I LOVE my iPhone. Dearly. I just want to put the my music on my other computer, thats all. Calm down.

Garyi,
Gotcha.... understood. I know I can put music on my iPhone with both Foobar and Winamp. I will those a shot to get it off.

I don't know why this incenses everyone so much. Jesus f-ing Christ!!! It is my phone, my problem. Was looking for advice from those who have run into the same issue. As a person who has never owned an iPod, i didn't know they worked in this fashion. I assumed that was what the DRM protection was all about.

I figured many of the ipod users in the forum, and it seems there are many, might know something I did not. Guess not.

Sorry for ruining everyone's day.

Topic closed please. or even delete it for that matter.

ROTF,

Thanks buddy! I will give that a shot. I have both, althout it would be to a PC as that is what I have at work.

I appreciate the point in the right direction.

-Patrick

Patrick - it may help, but you know I don't have a PC with Windows to try it.

It's not the music industry, it's Apple sales they're protecting but as noted, there are work arounds. I was also going to suggest opening the Iphone as a drive from 'my computer' and trying to drag. Great device but not for me as AT&T reception is poor at both my home and work. May try a touch when the new ones show up in the very near future.

quote:

Originally posted by pcstockton:
I can understand why you wouldnt be able to move music you bought from iTunes, but I thought the DRM issue solves that, at least it did.

Remember, the iPod was the first player that allowed people to download mainstream music from a music store AND play their existing MP3s. Everyone else's player either played mp3s but couldn't download from music stores or they had heavily DRMed proprietary codecs that you'd have to convert all your mp3s to. It is assumed by the labels that all your non-DRM files must be music stolen on napster so no music in your collection, even the stuff you legitimately own, may be copied to a second machine.

As I recall it, only downloads were DRM and anything you encoded yourself was unrestricted. Some systems couldn't copy CDs or in general without buying a music blank, though not the norm for PCs.

quote:

Originally posted by Naijeru:
It is assumed by the labels that all your non-DRM files must be music stolen on napster

Well that is the most ridiculous thing ever.

quote:

Originally posted by js:
I was also going to suggest opening the Iphone as a drive from 'my computer' and trying to drag. Great device but not for me as AT&T reception is poor at both my home and work. May try a touch when the new ones show up in the very near future.

Pretty certain you cannot open the iPhone as a drive like with the iPod. They have certain fundamental differences.
I'm sure part of the reasoning here is that if you have music on your iPhone/iPod then you must have put it there from a computer so a back-up already exists. The only alternative would have been if it was bought over the iPhone from iTunes — in which case there's a facility to copy purchased music to the computer.
I agree with others that it's frustrating I cannot share my iPhone music between two computers — but then how the heck would Apple know I was sharing it with my work computer and not someone else's? They're good — but they're not that good. Unless, of course, you want them to go down the Amazon route where they wiped books from people's Kindle readers remotely when no-one even knew they could so this!!!!
There's tons of programmes out there to enable you to copy between iPod/iPhone back onto a computer.
Sure, some of the limitations can be frustrating with the iPhone but no-one has to buy it. Same as no-one has to buy Naim equipment.
You buy something for what it does — not to whinge about what it doesn't.

iPhone / iPod touch / current flash-based iPods do not possess Disk Mode (as a means to keep precious read/writes to flash memory to a minimum).

Apple make some of the absolute coolest stuff but I find it odd that many of the same people who like their products also argue to open source programming for other products. It doesn't get more closed and restricted than Apple. Not you PC as I know you'd like it all to be open.

ipod rip. google.

Its just not as closed as you say it is, there are plenty of softwares that do the very thing you want it too.

Even DRM can be removed by simply burning the music to cd.

Thing is Apple cannot be apple and be open source. Just look at firefox, linux and the rest. Messy.

quote:

Originally posted by ROTF:

[i]Connect the iPod to your PC. If iTunes starts syncing (ie erasing) your music automatically, hit the X in the upper right hand corner of iTunes display, to the left of the search box, to stop it.

In Control Panel, Portable Media Devices, double-click your iPod.

In the Tools menu -> Options, in the View Tab, check "Show hidden files and folders."

Navigate to the Music folder. The full path is something like

Portable Media Devices\PCS'S IPOD (F: )\iPod_Control\Music

This appears not to work on an iPhone. I dont have an iPod so I cannot try that.

I can however pull all of my pictures off of the phone. Funny. Tons of them are copyrighted material from Astronomy Picture of the Day app.

oh well. I guess Apple doesn't have a deal with them.

thanks for the help everyone. If there was an easy and free method of doing this is the past, Apple has clearly figured out how to lock it down.

-p

quote:

Originally posted by garyi:
Its just not as closed as you say it is, there are plenty of softwares that do the very thing you want it too.

Even DRM can be removed by simply burning the music to cd.

Thing is Apple cannot be apple and be open source. Just look at firefox, linux and the rest. Messy.

I never said it was a bad thing. They're just stingier with code than anybody else. Their system and there's good and bad in this approach just like there is in open source. I only found the perspective interesting without judgement on the different ways of going about it.

quote:

Originally posted by pcstockton:

thanks for the help everyone. If there was an easy and free method of doing this is the past, Apple has clearly figured out how to lock it down.

-p

Check this one out here

-
Aleg