DSOTM; first pressing
Posted by: Tarquin Maynard - Portly on 07 February 2004
Groovers
Any ideas what I would have to pay?
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
Any ideas what I would have to pay?
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
Posted on: 07 February 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
eBay today: £290!!!
I'll stick with my 30th anniv album until I win the Lottery
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
I'll stick with my 30th anniv album until I win the Lottery
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
Posted on: 07 February 2004 by HTK
Never! Really?
I bought it the week it was released. Surely this can't be right - everybody's got one.
I bought it the week it was released. Surely this can't be right - everybody's got one.
Posted on: 08 February 2004 by Rasher
And I nearly threw mine with the others!! Luckily I still have it
Posted on: 08 February 2004 by garyi
I think the big money ones are the records with a solid prism on it, most have a hollow blue prism, if its one of those then its worth little to nothing.
Posted on: 08 February 2004 by count.d
MFSL copy is the best version anyway.
Posted on: 08 February 2004 by HTK
I'm digging as we speak...
Posted on: 08 February 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:
Originally posted by garyi:
I think the big money ones are the records with a solid prism on it, most have a hollow blue prism, if its one of those then its worth little to nothing.
Spot on again.
Solid prism it was.
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
Posted on: 09 February 2004 by Tim Williams
The solid blue prism appears to be the first UK pressing so far identified. It has A/2 / B/2 matrix numbers and the label appears to have been printed a solid blue by mistake. This was very quickly rectified.
Prices for the solid label appear to be falling rapidly - there are more copies turning up than originally suspected...!
Now if an A/1 / B/1 copy ever turned up I think we could see it realising a substantial amount (subject to condition). Popular wisdom has it that the A/1 matrix number was only used for the test pressing and not for regular 'stock' copies.
Until very recently, A/3 / B/3 matrix pressings were believed to be the 'first' (see my other post on this subject). There's all sorts of myth and speculation out there in collector-land. Sorting out fact from fiction is getting more and more difficult.
Original UK pressing is still the best AFAIC. Don't like the Mobile Fidelity, but I haven't heard the UHQR version (VERY expensive!) so I can't comment on it. - One day maybe...!
Prices for the solid label appear to be falling rapidly - there are more copies turning up than originally suspected...!
Now if an A/1 / B/1 copy ever turned up I think we could see it realising a substantial amount (subject to condition). Popular wisdom has it that the A/1 matrix number was only used for the test pressing and not for regular 'stock' copies.
Until very recently, A/3 / B/3 matrix pressings were believed to be the 'first' (see my other post on this subject). There's all sorts of myth and speculation out there in collector-land. Sorting out fact from fiction is getting more and more difficult.
Original UK pressing is still the best AFAIC. Don't like the Mobile Fidelity, but I haven't heard the UHQR version (VERY expensive!) so I can't comment on it. - One day maybe...!
Posted on: 09 February 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:
Originally posted by Tim Williams:
Until very recently, A/3 / B/3 matrix pressings were believed to be the 'first' (see my other post on this subject...
I love all this stuff.
Could you point me in the direction you indicate, please Tim. And have you heard the 30th Anniversary Issue? If so, how does it stack up?
Thanks
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
Posted on: 14 February 2004 by Haroon
Id be interested to know how the 30th anniversary issue stacks up too. From what I know its a digitally remastered version, PF requested all back cat to be digitised. 
Posted on: 14 February 2004 by Bob McC
I've got the 30th on vinyl. I had an MFSL version also, but flogged it cos in my opinion my original from the time it first came out (don't ask me about matrix numbers!) is still the bestof the lot.
Bob
Bob
Posted on: 15 February 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
I have the 30th anniv vinyl and think its pretty dard good, but I would like to know how it compares against eg. MFSL, 1st/early pressing etc.
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
Regards
Mike
On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
Posted on: 15 February 2004 by Martin M
quote:
From what I know its a digitally remastered version, PF requested all back cat to be digitised.
No, the 30th Anniversay reissue is mastered direct from the original analogue master tape via a valve amp/cutter head. It's a nice piece of work.
Posted on: 15 February 2004 by count.d
I think the MFSL is better than the 30th version. I have both, bought sealed.
It has been discussed to death on a USA forum and the opinion was that the MFSL was sweeter.
Of course the stamper number makes a big difference and it has nothing to do with A1/B1 being the best. This just means that it was the first pressing from that particular cut.
A2/B3 could sound even better, A24/B22 could sound better...
My stamper on the MFSL is the good common one, but not the best.
This is a comparison between MFSL, EMI 100 and the 30th Ann vinyl.
First of all, the EMI 100 is no where near either of the other two. It's harsh and lacks the detail throughout.
Second, the new vinyl is very good. So even if you do buy it, you won't be disappointed.
The vinyl has been pressed perfectly. No crackles and pops The packaging is very nicely done, like the original, with a slight satin sheen on the outer cover. Poly lined sleeves inside.
Now to the comparison between MFSL and 30th anniversary.
I found it difficult to choose the "best" pressing. They both had their merits. The MFSL is generally a little sweeter. For the vinyl fans, it has that analogue sound that we love, as opposed to cd's.
The 30th has a slightly more digital, forward sound. It's brighter, with well defined highs and treble. This makes it sound more open. It has all the detail that the MFSL has throughout the range.
I'd change my mind to which pressing I preferred a few times. The more forward presentation of the 30th would suit one track, then the sweeter presentation of the MFSL would suit another. The heart beat on Breathe on the 30th pressing was so real and powerful, kicking me in the stomach. Not quite as impressive on the MFSL.
Generally the bass was a little more powerful on the 30th, but still keeping it tight.
Overall, the 30th is an excellent pressing with little to fault it. It all depends on your preferences and how your system plays it (in 2003). When you change a part of your system, you'll find that records that you thought you knew will play differently. This is why I can't decide which pressing is best. You can hear that both the MFSL and 30th have been mastered extremely well and from the original tapes. I'd recommend the 30th even if you had other copies, as you never know how your next hifi upgrade will play your vinyl.
P.S. Many of the 30th versions were pressed slightly off centre on one side, so giving a change of pitch during the piano notes.
It has been discussed to death on a USA forum and the opinion was that the MFSL was sweeter.
Of course the stamper number makes a big difference and it has nothing to do with A1/B1 being the best. This just means that it was the first pressing from that particular cut.
A2/B3 could sound even better, A24/B22 could sound better...
My stamper on the MFSL is the good common one, but not the best.
This is a comparison between MFSL, EMI 100 and the 30th Ann vinyl.
First of all, the EMI 100 is no where near either of the other two. It's harsh and lacks the detail throughout.
Second, the new vinyl is very good. So even if you do buy it, you won't be disappointed.
The vinyl has been pressed perfectly. No crackles and pops The packaging is very nicely done, like the original, with a slight satin sheen on the outer cover. Poly lined sleeves inside.
Now to the comparison between MFSL and 30th anniversary.
I found it difficult to choose the "best" pressing. They both had their merits. The MFSL is generally a little sweeter. For the vinyl fans, it has that analogue sound that we love, as opposed to cd's.
The 30th has a slightly more digital, forward sound. It's brighter, with well defined highs and treble. This makes it sound more open. It has all the detail that the MFSL has throughout the range.
I'd change my mind to which pressing I preferred a few times. The more forward presentation of the 30th would suit one track, then the sweeter presentation of the MFSL would suit another. The heart beat on Breathe on the 30th pressing was so real and powerful, kicking me in the stomach. Not quite as impressive on the MFSL.
Generally the bass was a little more powerful on the 30th, but still keeping it tight.
Overall, the 30th is an excellent pressing with little to fault it. It all depends on your preferences and how your system plays it (in 2003). When you change a part of your system, you'll find that records that you thought you knew will play differently. This is why I can't decide which pressing is best. You can hear that both the MFSL and 30th have been mastered extremely well and from the original tapes. I'd recommend the 30th even if you had other copies, as you never know how your next hifi upgrade will play your vinyl.
P.S. Many of the 30th versions were pressed slightly off centre on one side, so giving a change of pitch during the piano notes.
Posted on: 15 February 2004 by Haroon
quote:
Originally posted by Martin M:quote:
From what I know its a digitally remastered version, PF requested all back cat to be digitised.
No, the 30th Anniversay reissue is mastered direct from the original analogue master tape via a valve amp/cutter head. It's a nice piece of work.
hmmm, I must have got that confused with the EMI 100 version which i forgot about. Im sure one version of the vinyl is sourced from a digital remaster as i remember reading something about it and pf had requested it and I was quite dismayed about it.
Anyway ive got a common re-issue version and it sounds great, has some noise but its better than some new LP's and 12s, but might get this new one and keep it unplayed for the future
Posted on: 20 February 2004 by Kevin-W
The best sounding are as follows:
1. MFSL UHQR pressing (rare and v.expensive)
2.= 1st pressing 1973/EMI 100 pressing 1997 /Toshiba EMI Jap pressing (late 1970s)
5. 30th anniversary pressing 2003
6. MFSL "standard" pressing 1979
7. Capitol US pressing (1973)
8. 1997 pressing (from digital master) to celebrate 30th anniversary of PF's recording career, rather than DSOTM's 30th, if you see what I mean)
The original 1983 CD issue (EMI's first CD, incidentally) is dire. I hsave heard that Capitol's original CD is even worse.
The MFSL UHQR has to be heard to be believed!
Kevin
1. MFSL UHQR pressing (rare and v.expensive)
2.= 1st pressing 1973/EMI 100 pressing 1997 /Toshiba EMI Jap pressing (late 1970s)
5. 30th anniversary pressing 2003
6. MFSL "standard" pressing 1979
7. Capitol US pressing (1973)
8. 1997 pressing (from digital master) to celebrate 30th anniversary of PF's recording career, rather than DSOTM's 30th, if you see what I mean)
The original 1983 CD issue (EMI's first CD, incidentally) is dire. I hsave heard that Capitol's original CD is even worse.
The MFSL UHQR has to be heard to be believed!
Kevin
Posted on: 20 February 2004 by count.d
Kevin,
What a load of complete bollocks.
Also what is a complete load of bollocks is this forum's inability to pursue a thread to find out what really is the best pressing, after reading posts.
It's interesting to compare the difference in a discussion on various pressings here and a forum in The States.
No one's really interested on the Naim forum.
They'd sooner twitter on about mains and stands.
What a load of complete bollocks.
Also what is a complete load of bollocks is this forum's inability to pursue a thread to find out what really is the best pressing, after reading posts.
It's interesting to compare the difference in a discussion on various pressings here and a forum in The States.
No one's really interested on the Naim forum.
They'd sooner twitter on about mains and stands.