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what's all the excitement about Dac's?

Posted by: carruthers esq. on 28 February 2009

I have noticed that there is a whole lot of excitement about Naim releasing a Dac, and before the release a whole lot of negativity about the lack of one in Naims line up.
I have a Naim cd based system so (call me old fashioned) can't imagine why I would need one! Can somebody enlighten me why there is so much excitement about the release of a Dac? And the possible use's for one?
Posted on: 01 March 2009 by Harry H. Wombat
Nice post, Peter!

Kind of off-topic maybe but I once heard a theory of how the medium by which, for want of a better word, art is communicated artificially constrains that art. For example, an album or CD constrains the length and format of the music that it contains. Sometimes this constraint is used positively to create new things but more often it constrains the art within boundaries.

The "album" that we all cling to so dearly (myself included) is nothing but a constraint on the artist. Why should be have to wait a billion years between Kate Bush "albums" because we have to wait for an "albums" worth of material before anything is released. An album is artificial.

Consider also television and, to an extent, films. Both are mediums by which the work is communicated and both constraining. Television is linear and controlled - you get to see what the broadcasters decide you should see, for example.

Digital media is relatively unconstrained - I would hope that the liberation of the artist from constraints of "albums" will help to produce much more and much different types of music. Moreover with the imminent demise of big-business record companies and their one-sided contracts will this not also help to liberate the artists? Would we, our faithful dedication to the album aside, prefer to buy an "album" from big-business (of which the artist sees pennies) or buy direct from the artist as and when they decide to release a track, a number of related tracks or an album?

Enough already Smile

Just to say that digital music of which DACs are clearly an important part will have repercussions that none of us can yet envisage.
Posted on: 01 March 2009 by pcstockton
the use of a USB DAC eliminates ALL needs for soundcards, ASIO, mini-toslink adapters.... USB to digi converters etc....

I would suspect that if a USB DAC is employed, it matters not if you use a PC or MAC.

It would then be a personal preference of the player you want to use, or the kind of OS you prefer for other activities if you will NOT dedicate the computer for audio.

I personally LOVE EAC, Foobar and FLAC. So PC it is for me.

USB DAC PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on: 01 March 2009 by 555
quote:
fun in the bath

Posted on: 01 March 2009 by u5227470736789439
Dear Patrick,

I have not seen this written before [about USB completely eliminating a whole raft of complexity], and can only ask why was this not pointed out before?

It is blindingly obvious that the simpler the better ...

Oh well that is a tad awkward for D10 owners though! Probably makes to Mac route the most viable in that case in the medium term ...

Never mind, as life is like that!

ATB from George
Posted on: 01 March 2009 by -goat-
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
Reasons and Reasons.
I love my Macbook Dac.
Great quality of music replay fun to use/easy to use.
The best £1,460.00 i have ever spent on Audio replay.
When i am Active next month it will sound even better.
You cant wack it.Its like Garlic bread.
Its the future, Embrace it.
Welcome it with open arms and ears.
Its not going away.
Its here to stay and its going to get better and better.

Grab it with both hands and dont make a mess. Winker
Munch


Hi Munch,

Sorry, I'm sure you have been through this before but what source did you have before the Lavry? Perhaps a difficult question but what performance does the Lavry give you? Could you equate it with a Naim CDP? Just looking at your system profile... I assume the Lavry can't be too shabby... A while back I tried a Benchmark DAC1 but it didn't seem to do much for my system and that was then I had a cheap CD player too.
Posted on: 02 March 2009 by Former member
I had a CD5X with Flatcap2x.
Posted on: 02 March 2009 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by Harry H. Wombat:

The "album" that we all cling to so dearly (myself included) is nothing but a constraint on the artist. Why should be have to wait a billion years between Kate Bush "albums" because we have to wait for an "albums" worth of material before anything is released. An album is artificial.


Very good point - artist could release just a couple of songs as they were ready. That really is a new concept and by far the most compelling I have ever heard for musical downloads.

ATB Rotf
Posted on: 02 March 2009 by js
quote:
Originally posted by pcstockton:
the use of a USB DAC eliminates ALL needs for soundcards, ASIO, mini-toslink adapters.... USB to digi converters etc....

I would suspect that if a USB DAC is employed, it matters not if you use a PC or MAC.

It would then be a personal preference of the player you want to use, or the kind of OS you prefer for other activities if you will NOT dedicate the computer for audio.

I personally LOVE EAC, Foobar and FLAC. So PC it is for me.

USB DAC PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USB wouldn't eliminate my desire for ASIO or kernel streaming of some sort. Even Asynchronus USB doesn't eliminate the OS mixer without an ASIO type driver. I'm sure USB will be there, one way or another.
Posted on: 02 March 2009 by Rockingdoc
quote:
Originally posted by carruthers esq.:
so,can I use one in my office where I listen to iTunes on my PC when working in there, and if so how?


This is exactly how I started with this.

Buy a stand alone USB DAC. A few years ago this was not that easy and I went for a cheapish one from M-Audio. It worked ok, but never sounded good enough to challenge CD as a source.
For the past two years I have used a Russ Andrews DAC-1 USB. A very simple plug&play device which connects to the PC USB socket, and is automaticaly found as your prefered audio device by iTunes. It provides line level outputs via normal RCA phono sockets, which I feed into a headphone amplifier. The USB-DAC also has optical and coax inputs, so you can have a CD player connected at the same time (which I do).
The difference in sound quality between the usual audio-out of the PC card and the stand-alone DAC is HUGE. (Because my PC at work actually belongs to the NHS, I keep all of the iTunes stuff on a separate HD which is also connected to the PC by USB).
Next for me will be a better DAC, and I am waiting for the USB Lavry DA-11, other studio spec. DACs, streamers and perhaps a Naim offering (but not hopeful for a USB input there).
Once I'm used to the new DAC in my office setup, I can decide whether to go down that route at home with a dedicated Mac, or the Transporter/Naim/Linn routes.
Posted on: 03 March 2009 by Former member
Doc,
I had the same Dac you have for a year,One of my sons friends now uses it .
Got it from a friend in America at near trade in 2007.
The same one Russ puts his name on.
The Cambridge walks all over it for sound.
And the one i have now blows them both away sound wise.
Stu