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Posted by: Mike in PA, USA on 25 October 2008

Hey gang,

I'm new to this distributed audio thing and have been reading some of the relevant posts here, as I have recently purchased a MacBook and am planning to stream through Airport Express to a DAC and then my 202. I have also spoken with some of the techs at Apple, who are very helpful (if you get the right one on the phone). I will share some of my learnings below. Some of you may already know this, others may have comments which I would love to hear, others may find this information useful.

1) AIFF and Apple Lossless both pull tags (album info) down from iTunes. AIFF is uncompressed (10MB per minute of music) while AE is compressed to about half-size (5MB/min). An MP3, for comparison is 1MB per minute.

2) Going direct from a mac to a DAC with AIFF through a toslink will give the best sound. Airport Express automatically converts to Apple Lossless. The point here is that if you plan to use AE exclusively, you may as well skip AIFF and used Apple Lossless to economize on storage space. So theoretically:

Mac -> AIFF -> Toslink -> DAC -> Preamp

will sound better than

Mac -> Apple Lossless -> Toslink -> DAC -> Preamp

but

Mac -> AIFF -> Airport Express -> Toslink -> DAC -> Preamp

will sound equivalent to:

Mac -> Apple Lossless -> Airport Express -> Toslink -> DAC -> Preamp

3) Airport Express and Apple TV will have the same audio quality. The fact that ATV has an OS and hard drive have nothing to do with how it streams data. ATV contains an AE (essentially) for this purpose.

4) There is third-party software available that will stream AIFF files, however this program (forget the name) is about $500.

5) If you want to be able to control a large collection of music wirelessly, the "suggested" solution is to set up a dedicated music server hardwired to the DAC, which is then controlled by a separate computer on the wireless network. The server would likely be connected (hardwire) to a large hard drive to store AIFF files. This would look like:

MacBook -> Airport Express -> Mac Mini -> 1TB external drive (AIFF files) -> Toslink -> DAC -> Preamp

Given that a Mac Mini and external drive can be had for about $1000 combined, this doesn't seem like a bad way to go if you're pretty serious.

So, this is how I see it and how my system may in fact evolve. I'm currently ripping CDs onto the MacBook in Apple Lossless, and plan to go AE to a Beresford DAC for now. I'll probably experiment with some AIFF files and going toslink direct to the DAC before I rip my whole library, and make a determination on whether it makes sense to evolve the system sooner rather than later, as AIFF files will quickly fill up the 250GB drive on the laptop. I may also see if differences in sound quality between Apple Lossless and AIFF are more evident with a higher end (i.e. higher cost) DAC and if I care.

I hope this post was helpful and look forward to others' comments.

Cheers,
Mike
Posted on: 27 October 2008 by garyi
Why so defensive DHT?

I have never been a dealer of any kind. I am expressing an opinion which I am sure is what Forums are all about. I am sure you'll correct me if I am wrong.
Posted on: 27 October 2008 by Mike in PA, USA
Not sure if this is relevant...

cognitive dissonance

Cheers,
Mike
Posted on: 27 October 2008 by Mr.Tibbs
quote:
And as for quality hifi reproduction, this is early days. Its not expectable to me to assume a 60 quid express and DAC of any calabre is HIFI, because in my experience its not the last word. Yes its great, but if you strip away the geek factor, and really get down and listen there is soul missing.


There is a danger in assuming that an Airport Express can't be up to much if it retails for £60. Because Apple will sell many thousands of them the development and build costs are much smaller per unit than if they were sold only to the 'audiophile'. Economy of scale and all that. As for the DAC, there are at least two out there that get great results when hung off an AE, but perhaps they too are not expensive enough to be considered as great HiFi?

As for the 'geek factor', I'm not sure that has to be the case at all. Once your CDs are ripped then there's nothing to do but play music. It doesn't get much less geeky than that.

quote:
What I am saying is the interface, the computer part can be very beguiling. People wil forgive lesser quality sound over nice shiney artwork and playlists.


They might forgive lesser quality sound, but IME that doesn't need to be the case at all.

Mr Tibbs
Posted on: 27 October 2008 by Mike in PA, USA
And eliminated the need for a CD player and associated power supply (or two, in the case of the 555 Winker) eliminates the number of fraim levels necessary, making that support more affordable.

Right?

M
Posted on: 27 October 2008 by Adrian F.
quote:
4) There is third-party software available that will stream AIFF files, however this program (forget the name) is about $500.


Airfoil is only 25$, and seems to to the trick... (I don't use it myself). Mac & PC, trial version available:


happy streaming
Adrian
Posted on: 27 October 2008 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by garyi:
Fair enough Mike, its what this game is all about.

I would say however that at the minute an apple in what ever incarnation through a dac sounds a bit like how a computer would deliver music if it were sentient.

A CDS3 delivers music as a musician would.

IMO of course.

(Please understand my main source is an AppleTV, I am just being realistic with what I hear, its been a coming of realisation for me, sadly I sold the CDX on!)


Blimey gary I hadn't realised you'd actually gone as far as moving on your CDX! I am pleaed with your comments about the CDS3 though and concur entirely.
Posted on: 28 October 2008 by garyi
Yea, you don't want to sell me it for a tenner do you, I seem to have ran out of money Winker
Posted on: 28 October 2008 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by garyi:
Yea, you don't want to sell me it for a tenner do you, I seem to have ran out of money Winker


Hmmm....it's a tempting offer I admit, but....nahhh, I think I'll hold on to mine for now Big Grin