"Needle" time payments

Posted by: BigH47 on 27 June 2007

CSI shows Las Vegas/Miami/New York use 3 different Who songs for there title screens, do The Who/Pete Townsend get paid every time a show is aired?
As in needle time payments by record stations, if this still exists.

Howard
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by Rockingdoc
I don't think it was accidental that Pete chose those same tunes to play at Live 8.
BTW I thought they were pathetic at Glastonbury (on the telly).
p.s. long-serving Who fan of many gigs attended.
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by Chris Kelly
Howard
I believe they do, though it's not a lot per iteration. It all adds up though.
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by BigH47
RD sort your ears out.
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by manicatel
Assuming that they still own the royalty rights, they could have either signed a deal to sell the songs to the show, in return for a one-off payment, or arranged a deal for 'pay-as-they-play', or % of a mixture of the 2.
Matt.
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by Chris Kelly
matt
I thought there were industry watchdogs here and in the US who collect royalties on behalf of composers and performers? If a song is "featured" in a soundtrack it attracts one rate, if it is playing as background it attracts a lesser rate. Radio and tv stations submit their playlists and royalties calculated on that.
I do know it's a complex system.
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by manicatel
Chris,
You may be thinking of the PRS, Performing Rights Society (iirc), who monitor & collect for the artists & composers, along with MCPS, Mechanical Copyright Protection Society.
My understanding is that they work by collecting on a case-by-case, song-by-song basis.
As well as this system, the artist/composer can be approached by a music placement company who arrange for music to be placed in films/tv shows, etc. Something similar to 'product placement' in movies. Alternatively, composers can approach other artists/vehicles to see if they would like to purchase their song, for a one-off payment, or an agreed royalty %.
As you say, it is a complicated business.
Matt.
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by Chris Kelly
Thanks Matt. No wonder the music biz is stiff with lawyers and agents! What a minefield.
Posted on: 28 June 2007 by fidelio
chris you don't know the half - much of the time the papers are done after the fact and backdated, after the $$ has been run through the panamanian corp. so that there is a loss etc. and the tax people get half the royalties that're supposed to go to the artists, after they pay off their management ... rock'n'roll does not pay except at the very top. i think most rock musicians make more cash selling t-shirts and trinkets at concerts than they do in royalties. don't quit your day job!
Posted on: 29 June 2007 by Chris Kelly
Artie
No danger of giving up the day job! I am to the guitar what Jimmy Page is to neurosurgery! I have a lovely Strat Plus Deluxe,one of my mid-life crisis purchases, but have yet to gain any level of proficiency with it!

I rely on the remote control on my CDP for my musical pleasure!
Posted on: 29 June 2007 by manicatel
Chris,
No level of proficiency is required to make money in music.
PS I see the spice girls have reformed, & are estimated to make a few million each out of it.
Although they have stressed that they aren't doing it for the money. No, I'm sure its for their artistic integrity.
Matt.
Posted on: 29 June 2007 by BigH47
Just what the world needs another SpiceGirls album?
Posted on: 01 July 2007 by Whizzkid
quote:
Originally posted by manicatel:

PS I see the spice girls have reformed, & are estimated to make a few million each out of it.
Although they have stressed that they aren't doing it for the money. No, I'm sure its for their artistic integrity.
Matt.



Matt

Funny that they announce this shortly after Take That have just made a packet out of some form of weird nostalgia, Ahh! don't you remember the days when Gerry was fat and Victoria didn't say much ahhh! bliss Winker .



Dean..
Posted on: 02 July 2007 by Rockingdoc
It seems only yesterday that I sat in Wembley taking an unhealthy interest in a couple of the Spice Girls, while my young daughters jumped up and down on the seats in pree-teen ecstacy. Incredible that the Spices could be saleable as "nostalgia" already.