Have the Mods removed a recent Tolkien book thread?

Posted by: Deane F on 18 April 2007

I can't find the thread that was posted recently about a new book that the late JRR Tolkien's son has released. If it has been removed I am mystified as to possible reasons.

Can anybody enlighten - or find the thread?
Posted on: 18 April 2007 by acad tsunami
What Orcery is this?
Posted on: 18 April 2007 by Chillkram
Looks like it, Deane. I can't find it either.

Mark
Posted on: 18 April 2007 by acad tsunami
Just got my copy today - wonderful illustrations - Can't wait to read it.

Posted on: 18 April 2007 by Chillkram
You jammy bugger!
Posted on: 18 April 2007 by acad tsunami
£4 off too Razz
Posted on: 18 April 2007 by Chillkram
Is it on the shelves or did you pre-order?
Posted on: 18 April 2007 by acad tsunami
On the shelves in Borders Mark (Amazon have it too)
Posted on: 18 April 2007 by Chillkram
Aha. A trip to Borders tomorrow, then. 'The Children of Hurin' is my favourite of all Tolkien stories.
Posted on: 18 April 2007 by acad tsunami
Mark,

I'm dipping into it now and I am sure you will love it. I will wait and read it when I am holiday next month(if I can wait that long)
Posted on: 19 April 2007 by Chillkram
quote:
Originally posted by acad tsunami:
(if I can wait that long)


We both know that's not likely!

I didn't get down to Borders today, so I'll probably go on Saturday instead.

Mark
Posted on: 19 April 2007 by acad tsunami
Mark,

Catch a glimpse Here

ps - I've nearly finished it already Frown
Posted on: 19 April 2007 by acad tsunami
Mark,

Have you read this Master of Middle Earth by Paul Kocher?

It was out of print for years and years but was re-printed recently. I bought mine back in 1973 while I was still at school - it is a little worn but well read and very cherished. I think it is the best book on Tolkien's work - lots of deep insight here, especially the chapters 'Cosmic Order' and 'Aragorn'. Pity about the new cover though. I highly recommend this book.
Posted on: 20 April 2007 by Chillkram
quote:
Originally posted by acad tsunami:
ps - I've nearly finished it already Frown


I knew it!
Posted on: 20 April 2007 by Chillkram
quote:
Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Mark,

Have you read this Master of Middle Earth by Paul Kocher?

It was out of print for years and years but was re-printed recently. I bought mine back in 1973 while I was still at school - it is a little worn but well read and very cherished. I think it is the best book on Tolkien's work - lots of deep insight here, especially the chapters 'Cosmic Order' and 'Aragorn'. Pity about the new cover though. I highly recommend this book.


Thanks Acad, I may have a look at that. 1973 eh? I didn't actually read 'The Hobbit' until 1975 aged 10! I read 'The Lord of the Rings' when I was 13 (twice in a month) and then 'The Silmarillion' when I was doing my 'A' levels. I've since read them all countless times since, as well as all the subsequent 'Unfinished Tales' etc. The gaps in between readings have been greater lately as it used to be an annual event for me! But that's good as it is like reading them again anew. Reading Tolkien is one of the great pleasures in my life and I'm really looking forward to the new book.

Regards

Mark
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Alexander
I got a pocket version of Lord of the Rings and it just sat there for years. When I got around to reading it it took me four days.

I've often read books twice in a row, finish and start over, but on that occasion , I haven't.
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Any thoughts on the LoTR DVDs?

We have the long triple set, some wonderful stuff ion there IMO, shame no Bombadil.
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Deane F
When I heard a film was being made of Lord of the Rings I looked forward to a few Tom Bombadil scenes. I was very disappointed when I found out that section of the story had been bypassed.

I first read the books in my early teens and Tom Bombadil added a lot to the mysteriousness and difference of Middle Earth for me.
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
The Ents and the Balrog are near-perfect, IMO.
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by andrew tooley
should the balrog have wings?
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Chillkram
quote:
Originally posted by andrew tooley:
should the balrog have wings?


One argument.
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Chillkram
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Originally posted by mike lacey:
Any thoughts on the LoTR DVDs?

We have the long triple set, some wonderful stuff ion there IMO, shame no Bombadil.


Mike

I love the films but try to enjoy them as the cinematic masterpieces they are. When I find myself caught up too much in the 'liberties' taken with the text I get a bit annoyed. Viewed as a separate work of art they are immensely enjoyable, but no film will ever get close to the original book as so much is in the imagination of the reader. That is why Tolkien is so popular, because although he was so incredibly descriptive on the one hand, on the other, so much is only suggested at and left to the individual's imagination and interpretation. We therefore all have our own 'picture' of Middle Earth so there will be affirmations and disappointments in anyone else's representations of Tolkien's work. There are also the inevitable submissions to commercial considerations and the appeal to the popular vote in the films that do make me wince on occasion.

However, the films stand alone as great works in my opinion.

Mark
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by acad tsunami
I pretty much agree with Mark. If I had never read the books I would think the films were an awesome achievement (Mike is right - there is some wonderful stuff there)but as it is they annoy me considerably in places. The words 'heresy' and 'blasphemy' spring to mind! Also I miss the 'thees' and thous' as in 'I have loved thee since ere I first saw thee'. The director sold out to the computer game generation imo. I wonder what Tolkien would have made of the films - I suspect he would have hated them.

I agonised about seeing the damn films, I really did. In the films I don't see my Middle Earth I see someone elses. I don't want to see the film in my minds eye when I read the books I want to go back to the Middle Earth I discovered as a thirteen year old and have loved ever since. Middle Earth for me is now a strange and unwanted hybrid.

My introduction came when my history teacher came into the classroom one morning and dumped his briefcase on my desk and took out three pristine volumes of hardback and placed them carefully in front of me. 'These books are my own personal possessions, read them over the (easter) holiday and tell me what you think'. I was stunned, teachers just don't single a pupil out and lend them their personal possessions! So I read it and I was hooked. Much of what I adored about the LotR I could not fully articulate until I had read 'Master of Middle Earth' by professor Kocher a few weeks later and it is this stuff that the films don't come even close to getting right but this why books are nearly always better than films.

My old history teacher, who subsequently became a friend, retired last year after 36 years in the same school and I bought him the special anniversary edition of the LotR (see pic below)as a thank you for having lent me his books all those years ago.



I only have a battered paperback copy these days Frown . I lost my vast Tolkien collection a couple of years back
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Chillkram
Got it! £12.99 from Sainsbury's, retail £18.99.

Guess what I'm reading tonight!

Mark
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Chillkram
quote:
Originally posted by acad tsunami:
I lost my vast Tolkien collection a couple of years back


I detect a very sad story!
Posted on: 21 April 2007 by Ian G.
Amazon is selling it for £8.55....