New S-Naxo
Posted by: jpk73 on 06 November 2003
Hi!
Today I installed the new SNAXO 362 and swapped all 3 black Burndys for the latest S-Burndys. From cold I could hear that this is going to be a great improvement. Already it sounds cleaner and less distorted. Also much better 3D. Just better quality in all respects. But still a little bit not-run-in. Yet I am totally satisfied.
- Jun
Today I installed the new SNAXO 362 and swapped all 3 black Burndys for the latest S-Burndys. From cold I could hear that this is going to be a great improvement. Already it sounds cleaner and less distorted. Also much better 3D. Just better quality in all respects. But still a little bit not-run-in. Yet I am totally satisfied.
- Jun
Posted on: 06 November 2003 by Martin Payne
Jun,
I thought that the new burndy only applied to the XPS/CDS interface?
Aren't the 52 & SNAXO burndy's unchanged from before??????
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne at Dial.Pipex.com
I thought that the new burndy only applied to the XPS/CDS interface?
Aren't the 52 & SNAXO burndy's unchanged from before??????
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne at Dial.Pipex.com
Posted on: 06 November 2003 by jpk73
My dealer told me all Burndys are S-type. I already sold my old black Burndys, so I anyway need the new ones... But: did I buy them needlessly? All threee of my new Burndys have a small sign on the plug which says "@ Burndy". I don't know if that @-symbol is an S or whatever and I also don't know if the previous Burndys had this kind of signs.
Posted on: 06 November 2003 by Martin Payne
Jun,
you can tell easily enough.
The new XPS burndy has a label stating S/XPS.
If the new 52 & SNAXO burndies don't have an 'S' on them, then your dealer has made a fast buck from you. [Best confirm this from Naim before you raise a fuss, though!!!]
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.
you can tell easily enough.
The new XPS burndy has a label stating S/XPS.
If the new 52 & SNAXO burndies don't have an 'S' on them, then your dealer has made a fast buck from you. [Best confirm this from Naim before you raise a fuss, though!!!]
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.
Posted on: 06 November 2003 by jpk73
I noticed the labels, but I think they indicate the configuration (SXPS, SNAXO and 52). Or does the 252-Burndy have the same configuration as the 52-Burndy? (My new CDS-Burndy says SXPS on it's label.)
Also the SNAXO has a DBL-mark on the (german) registration card but on the back of the SNAXO there is "Type N".
- Jun
Also the SNAXO has a DBL-mark on the (german) registration card but on the back of the SNAXO there is "Type N".
- Jun
Posted on: 06 November 2003 by Martin Payne
Jun,
my burndy is a non-S, and has this label on it. The bit around the corner is just the "46" for the person who made it.
Yours should have S-XPS or XPS/S on it.
Ditto for the other two.
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.
my burndy is a non-S, and has this label on it. The bit around the corner is just the "46" for the person who made it.
Yours should have S-XPS or XPS/S on it.
Ditto for the other two.
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.
Posted on: 06 November 2003 by jpk73
My CDS-Burndy has "SXPS" on the label which otherwise looks exactly like yours on the picture - many thanks!
But what about the other Burndys? They don't say "S52", just "NA-52".
Do you have the small "@ Burndy" thing on the plug?
- Jun
But what about the other Burndys? They don't say "S52", just "NA-52".
Do you have the small "@ Burndy" thing on the plug?
- Jun
Posted on: 06 November 2003 by jpk73
The website says the following about the Burndys:
"The SNAIC 4 and 5, along with the Burndy cables for the NAC552, NAP300, CDS3, CDX2 and SNAXO, along with those for older models, have all been upgraded and now have smart black outer sleeving to differentiate them from their predecessors.
The new improved Black SNAICs use a new cable, which is custom manufactured to Naim's specification, that provides superior impedance, capacitance and conductivity. Each interconnect is meticulously hand-built in-house using newly developed techniques. The result is more - more music."
Does this mean that the black Snaics are also upgraded?
"The SNAIC 4 and 5, along with the Burndy cables for the NAC552, NAP300, CDS3, CDX2 and SNAXO, along with those for older models, have all been upgraded and now have smart black outer sleeving to differentiate them from their predecessors.
The new improved Black SNAICs use a new cable, which is custom manufactured to Naim's specification, that provides superior impedance, capacitance and conductivity. Each interconnect is meticulously hand-built in-house using newly developed techniques. The result is more - more music."
Does this mean that the black Snaics are also upgraded?
Posted on: 06 November 2003 by Manu
The last Snaic 4 & 5 i have received have a brighter sleeve, and also seem to sound brighter on olive kits (i didn`t experiment, it is just a first impression).
A little clarification by Naim on the cable subject is needed.
Emmanuel
All opinions are my own, and reflect those of the organisation i work for, even if not stipulated.
A little clarification by Naim on the cable subject is needed.
Emmanuel
All opinions are my own, and reflect those of the organisation i work for, even if not stipulated.
Posted on: 07 November 2003 by FangfossFlyer
So how does the new SNAXO compare to the old one?
Posted on: 07 November 2003 by jpk73
Today I got answer from naim:
SNAXO - s/n 195xxx - This unit was originally built as a DBL unit but was then had its values altered to work correctly with NBLs.
I bought this SNAXO brand new from my dealer (along with the 3 Burndys), but I don't know why they had to reconfigure a DBL-unit rather than selling me a NBL-type SNAXO...
Only the S-XPS Burndy is officially S-type. The Burndy for the NAC252 incorporated some of the ideas of the S-XPS Burndy but it is not an "S-type" (note that a NAC252 Burndy cannot be used on a '52). All other SNAICs and Burndys are as before.
This sounds as if 2 of my 3 Burndys are now exactly as before which would mean that I wasted quite some money. What shall I do...?
- Jun
SNAXO - s/n 195xxx - This unit was originally built as a DBL unit but was then had its values altered to work correctly with NBLs.
I bought this SNAXO brand new from my dealer (along with the 3 Burndys), but I don't know why they had to reconfigure a DBL-unit rather than selling me a NBL-type SNAXO...
Only the S-XPS Burndy is officially S-type. The Burndy for the NAC252 incorporated some of the ideas of the S-XPS Burndy but it is not an "S-type" (note that a NAC252 Burndy cannot be used on a '52). All other SNAICs and Burndys are as before.
This sounds as if 2 of my 3 Burndys are now exactly as before which would mean that I wasted quite some money. What shall I do...?
- Jun
Posted on: 07 November 2003 by Martin Payne
quote:
Originally posted by Jun Keller:
Do you have the small "@ Burndy" thing on the plug?
Jun,
I believe the plugs are made by a company called Burndy (or it's a standard name for this style of plug). If I checked back I'm sure my 1990-ish 52-52PS grey burndy would have this on the plugs, also.
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.
Posted on: 07 November 2003 by Martin Payne
quote:
Originally posted by Jun Keller:
The SNAIC 4 and 5, along with the Burndy cables for the NAC552, NAP300, CDS3, CDX2 and SNAXO, along with those for older models, have all been upgraded and now have smart black outer sleeving to differentiate them from their predecessors.
...
Does this mean that the black Snaics are also upgraded?
Jun,
this text dates back to the time when the grey cables were phased out and replaced by the blacks.
As for your other question, did the dealer recommend replacing all the burndys?
Can you confirm with Naim how the s/no dates the SNAXO. Does it tie in with when you bought it, or is this an ex-demo item which was re-configured and sold as new?
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.
Posted on: 07 November 2003 by jpk73
Did the dealer recommend replacing all the burndys?
I asked him to order 3 S-Burndys to replace my existing black Burndys. When I picked them up I again asked him about the S-status because I wondered about the labels: the 52-Burndy and the Snaxo-Burndy seemed to be absolutely same as my just sold Burndys.
Is this an ex-demo item which was re-configured and sold as new?
The Snaxo came from Germany. Even if they say it was one of the very first units built, I have no idea how to find out if this is an ex-demo item which was re-configured and sold as new.
I asked him to order 3 S-Burndys to replace my existing black Burndys. When I picked them up I again asked him about the S-status because I wondered about the labels: the 52-Burndy and the Snaxo-Burndy seemed to be absolutely same as my just sold Burndys.
Is this an ex-demo item which was re-configured and sold as new?
The Snaxo came from Germany. Even if they say it was one of the very first units built, I have no idea how to find out if this is an ex-demo item which was re-configured and sold as new.
Posted on: 08 November 2003 by Martin Payne
Jun,
Ask Naim when the SNAXO was manufactured, and compare to when you bought it.
I don't see why a shop would buy a DBL SNAXO unless they intended to use it for demos or someone ordered it and then cancelled.
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.
Ask Naim when the SNAXO was manufactured, and compare to when you bought it.
I don't see why a shop would buy a DBL SNAXO unless they intended to use it for demos or someone ordered it and then cancelled.
cheers, Martin
E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.
Posted on: 09 November 2003 by Ron Toolsie
Jun,
I checked with Naim North America a few weeks ago about the statement that the Burndies for the 300 et all had been 'upgraded'. This is apparently an error on the website as when the website was updated to reflect the new products, they also found their names in the Burndy upgrade section. Naim North America also checked with Naim UK on this matter and rest assured that the Black Burndies for the 52 and Snaxo are absolutely unchanged. You should return them to the dealer and have him credit your account for something that will actually make a difference. If you are dedicated to remaining active then a NAP300 driving the tweeters (with the 135s on bass and mid) will reap significant rewards. Indeed I had this very combination at one point.
Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo
I checked with Naim North America a few weeks ago about the statement that the Burndies for the 300 et all had been 'upgraded'. This is apparently an error on the website as when the website was updated to reflect the new products, they also found their names in the Burndy upgrade section. Naim North America also checked with Naim UK on this matter and rest assured that the Black Burndies for the 52 and Snaxo are absolutely unchanged. You should return them to the dealer and have him credit your account for something that will actually make a difference. If you are dedicated to remaining active then a NAP300 driving the tweeters (with the 135s on bass and mid) will reap significant rewards. Indeed I had this very combination at one point.
Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo
Posted on: 09 November 2003 by jpk73
Many thanks for the input! - Jun