A Night in Beckenham – The Silence of the Lambs

Posted by: David Hobbs-Mallyon on 08 October 2002

For those that saw our previous report ‘A Night out in Tunbridge Wells 2’, you may remember some debate between Nick Lees, Dave J and myself as to whether Tom Alves’ SBLs really did bass.

Firstly Tom has decided to tip the balance his way by upgrading from passive NAP180 to active NAP250s. That’s the effect that these evenings can have.

Secondly, we all came to the conclusion that we needed to hear what a pair of Naim’s ultimate loudspeaker, the DBLs could do in a well set up system, rather than a show environment. Fortunately for us, John Sheridan and Gizmogirl came to the rescue and very kindly allowed four strangers into their house for an evening of music. Out of the window went the tasteful music – we (OK I’m speaking for myself now) wanted to hear what DBLs were really capable of. I’m not sure relations with the neighbours will be quite so cordial from now on……

The Sheridan/Gizmogirl system consists of 52/NAP500/DBLs – being fed by LP12/ARO/Armageddon/Dynavector Cartridge and CDX.

The first thing that catches your eye when you enter the room is the sheer physical presence of the DBLs. They are BIG – I’ve seen comments about them discretely sitting at the edges of room - I can’t quite imagine it myself. Having said that, I think they look great. Just like my preference for the old style design, I’m probably in a minority – and I’m sure the days of the DBL are numbered as and when Naim develops a sleeker, curvier and pricier replacement.

Just as previous, prior to listening to any music, we all scrupulously checked system environment and set-up.

Room – Probably on the near limits of what DBLs can work in – I’d guess about 18ft by 12ft, firing down the smaller dimension. The walls were fairly bare, but John/Gizmo had a sneaky room tuning trick up their sleeve. Around the room were somewhere between 20-30 strategically placed cuddly sheep and lambs of various sizes, as well as a cuddly Pingu and Gizmo (just to confuse matters). Gizmo also mentioned some dealings with Peter Belt, so I’d assume that all the cuddly toys have been blessed, or had their toe-nails painted red or something.

Rack – Having gone to foreign lands outside Tunbridge Wells we had left Hutter county. 52 and CDX on Naim Fraim, the rest on Target stands.

Electrics – System uses Naim’s Australian mains cables going into an Aussie mains adaptor. Why? Because Australian mains cables don’t have fuses in and sound better. I’m sure Mr Dales has some explanation for this anomaly based on the direction of the earth’s gravitational field or the rotation of water down his bath plughole. We wait in anticipation.

Warm-up – this time we went for a range of opinions based on alcohol consumption, ranging from sober (Mr Lees, Dave J), slightly tipsy (Mr Sheridan, Gizmo), getting there (me) to Tom who went off the measurable scale.

Anyway we spent the next 5 hours throwing an even broader range of music than usual at the system. Mr Lees will provide the complete list of music played, so I will avoid comment on the music and how the DBLs played it until then. When the neighbours complained at 10.00pm (how unreasonable is that), the surprise package was that pairs of IBLs and SBLs were also brought out for comparison.

So to the system – I was expecting DBLs to do scale – on this they certainly deliver – in fact it’s fair to say on this they are absolutely awesome. What I had doubt about ahead of the demo was would they also do depth – I was surprised that yes they do indeed do depth very convincingly. Do they image – frankly not hugely, although, I think the answer may have been different if the room was twice as big. Driven by the 500 they are also as fast as SBLs, but these beasts really move air. No doubts here about whether they do bass or not – this bass is very physical. Was there a down side (there always has to be)? Well for me, yes a minor one. It was something that I wasn’t expecting, but the DBL is a surprisingly refined loudspeaker, and sometimes I wanted just a bit more grunt. I have a feeling this may have been more down to the restrictions of the room – of course I’m highly susceptible to any offers of demos to prove me wrong on this. Anyway, could I live with this speaker – err yes please – if only I had the space. Also, the pair we listened to was bought second hand at a ridiculously cheap price, so it certainly made them astounding value for the lucky owners. Also a revelation for me was the IBLs driven by the NAP500 – personally I preferred these to the SBLs, although I guess the SBLs require more careful set-up. Anyway, a good pair of IBLs has to be one of the best second hand bargains around if you have the right room for them.

So, many thanks to John and Gizmo for the hospitality – it’s a pleasure to be able to remember the whole evening, unlike last time. I’ll write some more on the music when Nick provides the track listing.

David

[This message was edited by David Hobbs-Mallyon on TUESDAY 08 October 2002 at 14:10.]
Posted on: 08 October 2002 by Dave J
Yep, they're huge. The last time I saw speakers that size a Roadie was setting them up and "one two-ing" down the microphone.

Like the rest of the T.W. 'team' I was fascinated to see what these behemoths could do and particularly how they compared, if at all, to my briks. I hadn't expected quite such a difference in presentation - both speakers do bass and these things really shift air but I had somehow expected more of the grunt that I'm used to and other brik owners will know well.

As their size suggests, they do work well with rock and the favoured Rammstein track sounded ace. Regrettably, as David said, the neighbours didn't share our enthusiasm for techno-metal and their tolerance wore thin by 9:54 p.m. (well I guess it was a school night). I suppose it is perhaps a little ambitious to run DBL's in a 2nd floor flat. Nevertheless, it did give John the opportunity to impress us with the abilities of his full range of Naim speakers. The IBL's were particularly noteworthy for their sheer groove - great pace, great timing - how many people out there have had the audacity to roger a pair of IBL's with a 500?!

Many thanks to John and Gizmo for their hospitality – the veggie samosa's were very welcome. It was nice to meet you both.

Dave
Posted on: 08 October 2002 by herm
(or as the neighbours say: the Riders of the Apocalyps)

I love these stories; hopefully the other riders and their hosts will report too, when (and if) they have recovered.

Herman

BTW, great thread title, David.
Posted on: 08 October 2002 by Rico
sounds like a great evening.

Must note concern though - are you sure you guys aren't kiwi's in disguise with all those sheep? cool

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
Posted on: 08 October 2002 by herm
Still it would have saved us a lot of gender confusion back when Gizomogirl / Helen debuted on this forum, if she had told us stuffed animals were her means of softening room acoustics.
Posted on: 08 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
So what was the difference between a coffee table and the Fraim then Nick? What Phase was the coffee table?

The Butthole Surfers track used to be very useful for getting rid of any unwanted guests. Excellent stuff. They used to be superb live as well. I thought that it may win weirdest track of the evening, but that Zappa track provided very stiff competition - maybe it was just the insane level Tom was playing the system. Perhaps Tom's absence can be explained by him staying at home today pushing the boundaries of love and demolishing a few walls in readiness for the next purchase.

Highlights for me in no particular order.

1) My Bloody Valentine - possibly one of the worst recorded singles of all time. Sounded superb - almost everyone made cigarette excuses for this one. John very bravely stayed behind. Don't sue me for tinnitus in a few years time.

2)Lionel Hampton - liked this. Can't say I got a handle on it on one listen, but will definitely investigate further.

3) Schumann - Whatever that concerto for four horns was.

4) Neil Young - I was reading a review of this album on the way - it said definitely to avoid. Sounded classic Young to me - DBLs sounded like they delivered this with real finesse.

5) One other of Nick's - I remember telling him I thought it was excellent - absolutely no idea which track it was though.

6) That Zappa track - never really been taken with much of what I've heard of Zappa. This was definitely unusual - Perhaps Tom can take this to the next event.

7) Metallica - DBLs won "Best rendition of 'live' crowd noise". I was hoping to play 'Orion' but one Metallica track was enough for the night.

David
Posted on: 08 October 2002 by Paul Ranson
quote:
The Butthole Surfers track used to be very useful for getting rid of any unwanted guests.

'Hairway to Steven' is excellent all the way through, right down to the scatalogical pics on the record lable.

One track on that album is complete Pink Floyd circa Atom Heart Mother, but I can never actually complete the association.

Paul
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
quote:
If that makes a re-appearance I'm bringing out Neil Young's "Arc" - 34 minutes of live feedback/thrash.

Nick,

I'd actually quite like to hear Arc - maybe not one for the next session though.

David
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by John Sheridan
I see whoever played The Tom Tom Club is too embarassed to admit it.
It was an interesting evening. It's always good to discover new music although I don't think My Bloody Valentine is going to make it onto my "must buy list".
My only regret is the message that Tom attempted to post managed to disappear.
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
The clue's in the title. I think there was a solid hour or so where each turn seemed to turn into Mr Alves's selection. I think there was few more to come out of the woodwork.

David
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by Rico
hey hey - whats wrong with the Tom Tom Club? I recall a certain dem in a hifi shop circa 1983 with LP12/Meridian/SL6's with The Tom Tom Club on the deck - mesmerising!



It's been on the deck often at casa rico lately - part of the vinyl revival. cool

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by John Sheridan
quote:
whats wrong with the Tom Tom Club

nothing really, just that the selected track seemed to be an extended-extended remix.
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by Bosh
David - "I'd actually quite like to hear Arc"

You can have my copy - you'll wish you hadnt though. Much as I love Neils stuff this is almost as bad as the "Dead Man" soundtrack he did (but much louder).
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by David Ng
quote:
The next is the level of bass. Lots of deep, low but tight bass. This worked really well with a lot of the heavier rock bassed stuff as the neighbours must have appreciated. The small fly in the ointment was that for some of the lighter textured music (solo guitar, cello etc) there was too much bass for my tastes. Not sure how you would strike a balance for varying music types.


Activating the system will make the bass tighter and more tuneful.

david
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
quote:
Activating the system will make the bass tighter and more tuneful.


Considering it would cost another £23K to do this, I should hope so too.

David
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
quote:
You can have my copy - you'll wish you hadnt though. Much as I love Neils stuff this is almost as bad as the "Dead Man" soundtrack he did (but much louder).

Yes please - sounds more intriguing the more bad reviews it gets...

David
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by John Sheridan
quote:
Activating the system will make the bass tighter and more tuneful.

No probs David, you provide the 2 500s and it shall be done.
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Tom said
quote:
The next is the level of bass. Lots of deep, low but tight bass. This worked really well with a lot of the heavier rock bassed stuff as the neighbours must have appreciated.

Also worked well in presenting a large scale orchestra and chorus.

Those who went out for cigarettes during the Verdi's Requiem missed a stunning performance of 'air baton' by Tom.

David
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by herm
The Riders need invitations?

I thought they just rode out.
Posted on: 09 October 2002 by herm
Chaps

sex change, singing bush...

is this turning into a weird porn thread?
Posted on: 10 October 2002 by Dave J
quote:
The Riders need invitations?

I thought they just rode out.


Now, I like this idea....

"Who's that at the door, dear?"

"Oh, it's just the Riders, they've come to listen to the effects of the new bearing on my LP12, better rustle up some canapés and crack open the Chablis"
Posted on: 10 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
quote:
The Riders need invitations?

I thought they just rode out.


Herman,

We'll be round at the weekend. I'd very much appreciate if you could upgrade to a 552 for our entertainment. Weird porn is optional.

David

BTW, turned on Radio 3 last night to find a live transmission of Rattle conducting Bruckner 9 with the Berlin Phil at the Concertgebouw - were you there?
Posted on: 10 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Dave J said
quote:
Now, I like this idea....

"Who's that at the door, dear?"

"Oh, it's just the Riders, they've come to listen to the effects of the new bearing on my LP12, better rustle up some canapés and crack open the Chablis"


Dave remember it's you next. I'd suggest you leave any decorating till afterwards.

David
Posted on: 10 October 2002 by Dev B
quote:
BTW, turned on Radio 3 last night to find a live transmission of Rattle conducting Bruckner 9 with the Berlin Phil at the Concertgebouw - were you there?


I listened to it last night. It was really good.

Dev -- ignorant in most things about western classical music
Posted on: 10 October 2002 by Dave J
Don't worry, we're going for the "wipe clean" look.

Dave
Posted on: 10 October 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Dev said
quote:
I listened to it last night. It was really good.


...then get yourself down to the Festival Hall this Friday when Rattle/Berlin Phil are in London doing the same programme. Should be an ideal warm-up to a night's clubbing.

David -- ignorant in most things