how many people listen to the intonation of their system?

Posted by: mikeeschman on 03 December 2008

when you listen to your system, do you listen through to hear the intonation (or lack of same) in the performance?

Intonation (music), a musician's realization of pitch accuracy, or the pitch accuracy of a musical instrument. also overtone pitch accuracy.

Most oscillators, from a guitar string to a bell (or even the hydrogen atom or a periodic variable star) will naturally vibrate at a series of distinct frequencies known as normal modes. The lowest normal mode frequency is known as the fundamental frequency, while the higher frequencies are called overtones. Often, when these oscillators are excited, by, for example, plucking a guitar string, it will oscillate at several of its modal frequencies at the same time. So when a note is played, this gives the sensation of hearing other frequencies (overtones) above the lowest frequency (the fundamental).

Timbre is the quality that gives the listener the ability to distinguish between the sound of different instruments. The timbre of an instrument is determined by which overtones it emphasizes. That is to say, the relative volumes of these overtones to each other determines the specific "flavor" or "color" of sound of that family of instruments. The intensity of each of these overtones is rarely constant for the duration of a note. Over time, different overtones may decay at different rates, causing the relative intensity of each overtone to rise or fall independent of the overall volume of the sound. A carefully trained ear can hear these changes even in a single note. This is why the timbre of a note may be perceived differently when played staccato or legato.
Posted on: 03 December 2008 by u5227470736789439
Dear Mike,

I cannot cope with out of tune plaing in replay. In concerts, if not forgivable in any great measure, at least you do not know it is coming! Unless it is a really terrible concert ...

As for replay having its effect on the balance of overtones with the fundamentals, I would say it does, but no replay is perfect, and strangely this aspect is one almost never commented on. One thing that really distresses me an over-weight replay, which inevitably distorts the perception of the relatively weaker overtones [compared to a justly balanced replay]that result leading to a characterless and expressionless sound, however dynamic may be the result.

Often such replay is lauded, and I am at a loss to understand it. It can be as articualte as the tick-tock of a clock, but if there is too much low freequency coming out the sound dies for me. I find the great majority of replay is over-weighted to the lower frequencies, though one should not overlook the fact that recordings are the other half of the equation!

ATB from George
Posted on: 03 December 2008 by mikeeschman
quote:
Originally posted by GFFJ:
As for replay having its effect on the balance of overtones with the fundamentals, I would say it does, but no replay is perfect, and strangely this aspect is one almost never commented on.


i find that curious, especially since that is an area where naim gear particularly excels.
Posted on: 03 December 2008 by u5227470736789439
Dear Mike,

I agree about the way Naim presents music. It is this balance of fundamentals with overtones which Naim gets more right than any other maker in my view at least with consistency [there are other individual models that work just as well from other makers IME], and is exactly why the music sounds so alive on Naim replay.

People confuse this very live quality with leading edges and rhythm, which are completely different issues. I think this is why many cannot explain why the like Naim Audio replay, but if you get both the musical balances [a consequence of getting the overtoines balanced with the fundamentals], and rhythm right then everything else [of significance] falls into place without further effort.

George
Posted on: 03 December 2008 by mikeeschman
actually, if you get the partials wrong, you get the articulation wrong (it's when the partials are sliding up to full volume - durring the "attack"), so you get the rhythm wrong.

i've heard many high quality tube set-ups where the partials sound beautiful, but they are incorrect. they seem to make, for example, every trumpet player sound alike. it's like an artist who paints a scene with 400 people in it, and they all have the same eyes. creepy!
Posted on: 05 December 2008 by Consciousmess
quote:
when you listen to your system, do you listen through to hear the intonation (or lack of same) in the performance?

Intonation (music), a musician's realization of pitch accuracy, or the pitch accuracy of a musical instrument. also overtone pitch accuracy.

Most oscillators, from a guitar string to a bell (or even the hydrogen atom or a periodic variable star) will naturally vibrate at a series of distinct frequencies known as normal modes. The lowest normal mode frequency is known as the fundamental frequency, while the higher frequencies are called overtones. Often, when these oscillators are excited, by, for example, plucking a guitar string, it will oscillate at several of its modal frequencies at the same time. So when a note is played, this gives the sensation of hearing other frequencies (overtones) above the lowest frequency (the fundamental).

Timbre is the quality that gives the listener the ability to distinguish between the sound of different instruments. The timbre of an instrument is determined by which overtones it emphasizes. That is to say, the relative volumes of these overtones to each other determines the specific "flavor" or "color" of sound of that family of instruments. The intensity of each of these overtones is rarely constant for the duration of a note. Over time, different overtones may decay at different rates, causing the relative intensity of each overtone to rise or fall independent of the overall volume of the sound. A carefully trained ear can hear these changes even in a single note. This is why the timbre of a note may be perceived differently when played staccato or legato.



Mike,

I have to say that reading many of your past posts, I am MIGHTY impressed by your knowledge!!

Jon Smile
Posted on: 06 December 2008 by mikeeschman
thanks :-) it's all been garden variety common knowledge.

i am concerned about these things because i listen for them and i am finding the more you know, the more you hear.

the cheapest upgrade :-)
Posted on: 06 December 2008 by mikeeschman
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
As Frank said,
I think i will wrap a News Paper round my head, On this one Roll Eyes


where did frank say that?
Posted on: 06 December 2008 by mikeeschman
ok, i've been zapped :-)

time to go shiek ya booty ...