HELP!!!
Posted by: jho on 19 December 2002
Just got a flatcap2. Look at the manual, does not quite understand how, Its connected and its playing now. Not sure if its right. Curious, if it can power both 112/CD5, can i pull out the CD5 power cord, currently its connected and switch on. Please help me!
Posted on: 19 December 2002 by Martin R
Good morning jho,
please do not pull out the CD 5 powercord. It will stop working then. The FC2 only powers a part of the CD 5 and does not replace the CD 5's own power supply.
Merry christmas to you ...
Martin
please do not pull out the CD 5 powercord. It will stop working then. The FC2 only powers a part of the CD 5 and does not replace the CD 5's own power supply.
Merry christmas to you ...
Martin
Posted on: 19 December 2002 by jho
That means my connection is correct ? i think.
BTW, is there any sequence to power on or off my system?
112/150/CD5/FC2
BTW, is there any sequence to power on or off my system?
112/150/CD5/FC2
Posted on: 20 December 2002 by Phil Barry
Yes. Keep power on all the time.
When I go on vacation, I turn the stuff off in the following sequence. When I return, I power on in the reverse:
amp
preamp (hicaps)
source
PSU cabling is non-intuitive: 5-5 DIN between preamp and PSU, 4-4 DIN between PSU and amp. The 4-4 DIN goes from preamp to amp when no PSU is used.
Regards.
Phil
When I go on vacation, I turn the stuff off in the following sequence. When I return, I power on in the reverse:
amp
preamp (hicaps)
source
PSU cabling is non-intuitive: 5-5 DIN between preamp and PSU, 4-4 DIN between PSU and amp. The 4-4 DIN goes from preamp to amp when no PSU is used.
Regards.
Phil
Posted on: 20 December 2002 by i am simon 2
I think the cables make plenty of sense.
5 pin lead btween psu and pre = one pin each for the following:
1 - Left chanel
2 - right chanel
3 - power rail
4 - power rail
5 - -ve
4 pin lead between power and psu
1 - left
2 - right
3 - +ve
5 - -ve
5 pin lead btween psu and pre = one pin each for the following:
1 - Left chanel
2 - right chanel
3 - power rail
4 - power rail
5 - -ve
4 pin lead between power and psu
1 - left
2 - right
3 - +ve
5 - -ve
Posted on: 20 December 2002 by herm
quote:
Originally posted by i am simon 2:
1 - Left chanel
2 - right chanel
Wow, simon,
that's an interesting upgrade! Very intuative, indeed.
So do you just spray Chanel on the speakers, or on the banana plugs as well?
And I take it we're talking about Chanel no 5, rather than no 19?
Herman
Posted on: 20 December 2002 by john rubberneck
Herm
I recon it must be the alcohol in it that does the trick,I take it you meant contact cleaning.
Stuart
I recon it must be the alcohol in it that does the trick,I take it you meant contact cleaning.
Stuart
Posted on: 20 December 2002 by Mark Dunn
I once drank a bottle of Chanel No.5 in an effort to make my farts smell good.
Best Regards,
Mark (pleasant arse) Dunn
Best Regards,
Mark (pleasant arse) Dunn
Posted on: 20 December 2002 by dave simpson
Hi Ian,
Definitely not lashed up right.The correct way to connect a 62/Hicap/140 combo would be:
5 pin cable from HiCap to 62.
4 pin cable from Hicap to 140.
The Hicap is the central connecting point for the system's pre-amp/pwramp interconnects when the hicap (actually any *cap)is used to power a pre-amp (your setup). In other words, the pre-amp should never connect directly (therefore bypassing a flatcap, hicap, or supercap) to the power amp when an outboard power supply is used to power the pre-amp.
hth,
dave
P.S. refer to the pre-amp, power supply and connections manuals at this link:
Naim Owner Manuals
Definitely not lashed up right.The correct way to connect a 62/Hicap/140 combo would be:
5 pin cable from HiCap to 62.
4 pin cable from Hicap to 140.
The Hicap is the central connecting point for the system's pre-amp/pwramp interconnects when the hicap (actually any *cap)is used to power a pre-amp (your setup). In other words, the pre-amp should never connect directly (therefore bypassing a flatcap, hicap, or supercap) to the power amp when an outboard power supply is used to power the pre-amp.
hth,
dave
P.S. refer to the pre-amp, power supply and connections manuals at this link:
Naim Owner Manuals
Posted on: 20 December 2002 by dave simpson
Hi Ian,
"Will there be an improvement in sound quality when wired correctly ..."
Most definitely.
"...and is the way I have done it likely to cause any damage?"
No.
"When wired correctly is the HiCap still only powering the pre-amp?"
Yes.
regards,
dave
P.S. Note the little band around both DIN cables (and closer to one end of each cable ). The "banded" end of the 4-pin goes to the hicap and the "banded" end of the 5-pin goes to the preamp. These (bands) are called "cable direction markers" in the owners' manuals and are used to indicate which way round to connect the cable (it makes a difference in the sound)
[This message was edited by dave simpson on SATURDAY 21 December 2002 at 05:08.]
"Will there be an improvement in sound quality when wired correctly ..."
Most definitely.
"...and is the way I have done it likely to cause any damage?"
No.
"When wired correctly is the HiCap still only powering the pre-amp?"
Yes.
regards,
dave
P.S. Note the little band around both DIN cables (and closer to one end of each cable ). The "banded" end of the 4-pin goes to the hicap and the "banded" end of the 5-pin goes to the preamp. These (bands) are called "cable direction markers" in the owners' manuals and are used to indicate which way round to connect the cable (it makes a difference in the sound)
[This message was edited by dave simpson on SATURDAY 21 December 2002 at 05:08.]
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by garyi
Snigger, we are all having a laugh right?
If its not wired correctly it don't work!
Have a nice Christmas you Muddy Funsters
If its not wired correctly it don't work!
Have a nice Christmas you Muddy Funsters
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by MarkEJ
Well, I must admit I thought that too, Gary. Hmmm...
Must be using the normal o/p socket on the 62, not the HiCap socket.
Must be using the HiCap socket on the 62, with blanking plug removed.
Slightly surprised Ian has any music at all, but prob depends on which sockets he's used on the HiCap...
Best;
Mark
quote:
4 pin cable from 62 to 140.
Must be using the normal o/p socket on the 62, not the HiCap socket.
quote:
5 pin cable (I presume) from HiCap to 62.
Must be using the HiCap socket on the 62, with blanking plug removed.
Slightly surprised Ian has any music at all, but prob depends on which sockets he's used on the HiCap...
Best;
Mark
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by dave simpson
Hi Mark,
I've been told it will work but it screws up the Naim grounding scheme (and therefore the sound).
regards,
dave
I've been told it will work but it screws up the Naim grounding scheme (and therefore the sound).
regards,
dave
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by garyi
Well assuming that he did go four pin out on the preamp I fail to see how it could work at all In essence we are talking hicap into the pre via the five pin out and poweramp into the pre via the four pin out.
surely at the most the hicap will be acting like a really really expensive blanking plug?
surely at the most the hicap will be acting like a really really expensive blanking plug?
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by dave simpson
Looking at Ian's post again...I see what you mean Gary. As you know though, it could be done by some simple mods regardless (bypassing the *cap as the central connecting point eliminating "excessive" connections)--seems like I saw it mapped out in a Russ Andrews catalog once(?) (We're also talking about used gear here so who knows if it's "stock" or not.)
Anyway... many years ago I mentioned bypassing the cap (same reasons as above) during a conversation with Chris West and was enlightened as to why it wouldn't work as well as their standard wiring scheme. I have no reason to doubt the benefits of Naim's chosen scheme over the benefits of a few less connections. Naim leaves no stone unturned-who else would shake their SNAICs or walk the dog ;-)IMHO...one of the little details that creates the best Hi-Fi on the planet.
regards,
dave
[This message was edited by dave simpson on SATURDAY 21 December 2002 at 16:34.]
Anyway... many years ago I mentioned bypassing the cap (same reasons as above) during a conversation with Chris West and was enlightened as to why it wouldn't work as well as their standard wiring scheme. I have no reason to doubt the benefits of Naim's chosen scheme over the benefits of a few less connections. Naim leaves no stone unturned-who else would shake their SNAICs or walk the dog ;-)IMHO...one of the little details that creates the best Hi-Fi on the planet.
regards,
dave
[This message was edited by dave simpson on SATURDAY 21 December 2002 at 16:34.]
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by garyi
Well I would appear to stand corrected.
After speaking to those that know, connecting the hicap as above would enable the system too work.
Moreover the hicap will make a diffrence. The only change being that the signal would not pass through the earth reference point.
So there you go.
After speaking to those that know, connecting the hicap as above would enable the system too work.
Moreover the hicap will make a diffrence. The only change being that the signal would not pass through the earth reference point.
So there you go.
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by dave simpson
Hi Ian,
"I had a 5 pin cable from socket 4 of the Hi-Cap to the far right socket on the 62 (when looking from rear) marked as output to Hi-Cap socket 4.
I then had the 4 pin cable from the 2nd from right socket on the 62, marked as output, to the 140.
I can asure you all that this worked."
And I'm sure it does..all of us here were trying to *remember* if an *incorrect* hook-up (such as yours) would function since it wasn't clear by your post if you had sound or not. I thought your configuration would function but again I was guessing..of course none of that matters now..all that matters is ensuring it's wired The Correct Way.
"The 62 does not light up until Hi-Cap is switched on. Surely then the Hi-Cap must be powering the 62, it cannot be acting as just an expensive linking plug?"
It is working (supplying the pre-amp with power in other words)from this description.
"All I have done now is move the connection from the second from right socket on the 62 and plugged into socket 3 on the Hi-Cap. The signal must now be going 62>Hi-Cap>140.
I must say it does not sound much different although if pushed I would say I would prefer the correct? configuration. Comments please"
Here's where it may get sticky. I've heard connections on the hicap have changed over the years. Therefore I can't use descriptions like "socket <#>" (I could unintentionally misdirect you and cause damage...with that in mind I'll attempt this in the safest manner I can...
The 62 should have a 4 pin DIN labeled "output to power amp". Connect the banded-end of the 4 pin DIN cable to this socket and connect it's other end to a socket on the hicap labeled "Preamp/ 4 PIN DIN".
Now, connect the banded-end of the 5 pin cable to a socket on the hicap labeled "PASSIVE/AMP 1". Obviously the remaining end connects to the 140.
I'm also assuming you're using Naim interconnects to connect your source(s) to your 62. If so, the banded-ends of these cables plug into the source.
If after reading this post you've got everything hooked up per this post and its slightly better sounding (or no better sounding) than your "incorrect" scheme---no worries...that may be due to many other factors in system setup (as well as source limitations)as well as the system's "warmup" time (to reach peak sound performance) which will take a week, sometimes longer. I'd strongly suggest having a local Naim dealer check out your installation after the holidays to make sure the entire rig is optimally installed...it's well worth the money in my book.
hth,
dave
[This message was edited by dave simpson on SUNDAY 22 December 2002 at 00:50.]
"I had a 5 pin cable from socket 4 of the Hi-Cap to the far right socket on the 62 (when looking from rear) marked as output to Hi-Cap socket 4.
I then had the 4 pin cable from the 2nd from right socket on the 62, marked as output, to the 140.
I can asure you all that this worked."
And I'm sure it does..all of us here were trying to *remember* if an *incorrect* hook-up (such as yours) would function since it wasn't clear by your post if you had sound or not. I thought your configuration would function but again I was guessing..of course none of that matters now..all that matters is ensuring it's wired The Correct Way.
"The 62 does not light up until Hi-Cap is switched on. Surely then the Hi-Cap must be powering the 62, it cannot be acting as just an expensive linking plug?"
It is working (supplying the pre-amp with power in other words)from this description.
"All I have done now is move the connection from the second from right socket on the 62 and plugged into socket 3 on the Hi-Cap. The signal must now be going 62>Hi-Cap>140.
I must say it does not sound much different although if pushed I would say I would prefer the correct? configuration. Comments please"
Here's where it may get sticky. I've heard connections on the hicap have changed over the years. Therefore I can't use descriptions like "socket <#>" (I could unintentionally misdirect you and cause damage...with that in mind I'll attempt this in the safest manner I can...
The 62 should have a 4 pin DIN labeled "output to power amp". Connect the banded-end of the 4 pin DIN cable to this socket and connect it's other end to a socket on the hicap labeled "Preamp/ 4 PIN DIN".
Now, connect the banded-end of the 5 pin cable to a socket on the hicap labeled "PASSIVE/AMP 1". Obviously the remaining end connects to the 140.
I'm also assuming you're using Naim interconnects to connect your source(s) to your 62. If so, the banded-ends of these cables plug into the source.
If after reading this post you've got everything hooked up per this post and its slightly better sounding (or no better sounding) than your "incorrect" scheme---no worries...that may be due to many other factors in system setup (as well as source limitations)as well as the system's "warmup" time (to reach peak sound performance) which will take a week, sometimes longer. I'd strongly suggest having a local Naim dealer check out your installation after the holidays to make sure the entire rig is optimally installed...it's well worth the money in my book.
hth,
dave
[This message was edited by dave simpson on SUNDAY 22 December 2002 at 00:50.]
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by dave simpson
Thanks for the research and confirmation Gary. I thought this would work but it has been a looong time since I've discussed the alternate (incorrect) wiring scheme.
regards,
dave
regards,
dave
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by dave simpson
"Have you made a typo here. I follow what you are saying but should the first para refer to a 5 pin cable and the second para a 4 pin cable. My 140 only has one input and that is 4 pin. If so then I believe that I have now wired it correctly."
Whooooa--good catch Ian....sorry!!! I was fielding two phone calls and a visitor at the front door in the middle of writing this... You're right on the money...switch all of the 4 pin references and all of the 5 pin references in the paragraphs. (5 pin cable connects 62 to hicap and 4 pin cable connects hicap to power amp)
regards,
dave
Whooooa--good catch Ian....sorry!!! I was fielding two phone calls and a visitor at the front door in the middle of writing this... You're right on the money...switch all of the 4 pin references and all of the 5 pin references in the paragraphs. (5 pin cable connects 62 to hicap and 4 pin cable connects hicap to power amp)
regards,
dave
Posted on: 21 December 2002 by dave simpson
Hi Ian,
Replace the grey SNAIC with a black one (an inexpensive upgrade for sure). One of the best upgrades comes for free as the rig warms up over the next week or so. Your first noticeable "change" will happen in about 8 hours ;-) Sit back and enjoy, *don't* power down the boxes unless absolutely neccessary (exceptions include : plugging/unplugging cables, vacation, severe storms).
*Do* get your Naim dealer to come round though. Installation is *everything* for any rig --especially Naim (dealer installation is mandatory in Naim dealer contracts for a reason).
regards,
dave
[This message was edited by dave simpson on SUNDAY 22 December 2002 at 03:20.]
Replace the grey SNAIC with a black one (an inexpensive upgrade for sure). One of the best upgrades comes for free as the rig warms up over the next week or so. Your first noticeable "change" will happen in about 8 hours ;-) Sit back and enjoy, *don't* power down the boxes unless absolutely neccessary (exceptions include : plugging/unplugging cables, vacation, severe storms).
*Do* get your Naim dealer to come round though. Installation is *everything* for any rig --especially Naim (dealer installation is mandatory in Naim dealer contracts for a reason).
regards,
dave
[This message was edited by dave simpson on SUNDAY 22 December 2002 at 03:20.]