What are your reference tracks... and why?

Posted by: rocketboy on 11 June 2006

What are the reference tracks that you listen to to evaluate systems and why?

I posted this list in the hi-fi forum but wanted to re-post it here to get some feedback.

I have a disc that I feel are the tracks that will paint me a pretty good picture of what a particular system sounds like. Recordings I know well. I keep it in my car at all times so it is there when needed. Many of these recordings are flawed in some way or another, like so much great music is, and I want to see how a system handles them. Any decent system should be able to represent a 'perfect' recording, but I also want a system that presents a flawed recording in a way more pleasing than being force fed a lizard.


Carmen - Paula Cole, This Fire - This is a great example of 'demo-itis'. Try as they might, they couldn't surpass the original, casual demo so on the record it went. Recorded in Paula's NYC apartment, this recording is open and airy with a strange sounding vocal, probably a Shure 58 or similar with a bit of a strange effect added. I want to see that this track makes sense rhythmically and that the vocal is not impossible to listen to.

Chan Chan - Buena Vista Social Club - Gorgeous, lots of natural ambience. A near perfect recording. I would suspect there is not a single person reading this page who does not own this.

I Love You - Daniel Lanois, Shine - M. Lanois is a genius. Period. I once read an interview that he said he wanted this whole album to be very warm, with no harsh sounds at all... and that's exactly how it should sound. If your system is up to it, the opening bass notes should shake the room!

Isa Lei - Ry Cooder and VM Bhatt, A Meeting By The River - If there has ever been a perfect recording, this is it. 'Isa Lei' is a very beautiful, delicate piece of music. Pay careful attention to the sound of, and the space around, the tabla. It is startling how many systems you can hear the attack and the reverb but not the note of the drum or the resonance of the shell.

Living With The Law - Chris Whitley, Living With The Law - A great recording by Malcolm Burn with Chris' passionate vocal over a heavily layered yet somehow quite natural background. The kick drum and bass guitar should have authority and you should be able to follow all the various parts without the background becoming a wall of sound... and not in the good Phil Spector way!

Nothing - Nikka Costa, Everybody Got Their Something - An amazingly sexy vocal but it can bunch up in the upper-mid frequencies. If you can,try listening to this track on ProAcs with a decent source. It's really special. The cello, bass guitar and percussion prior to the drum entrance provide lots of deep low frequencies.

Recordae - Mozart's Requiem - William Christie, Les Arts Florissants - Another near perfect recording. Great for soundstage evaluation as the voices float from various positions on the stage.

Scherzo No. 2 - HÃ¥vard Gimse, Chopin : Scherzi and Preludes - A very dynamic performance that, like most of Ken Christianson's recordings, can be a bit muddy if the system cannot unravel it.

Spanish Harlem Incident - Chris Whitley, Perfect Day - A live off the floor analog recording, complete with tape hiss, with Billy Martin and Chris Wood. Whitley's vocal is vintage flavoured, probably an old RCA 77, and quite wooly but should not sound too much so. Add Martin's understated bass and Wood's hypnotic drumming and you get a delicious track with lots and lots of open space.

The Night We Called It A Day - Chris Anderson and Charlie Haden, None But The Lonely Heart - Definitive. This requires absolutely no explanation to anyone who knows Naim.

Wasting My Time - Sam Phillips, Fan Dance - The lovely and talented Ms. Burnett's vocal is a touch sharp, but the cello steals the track. Same cellist, three times. One left, one right, one centre, exquisitely arranged with wonderful interplay. Beatles...? Who are the Beatles...?

Where Will I Be - Emmylou Harris, Wrecking Ball - Emmylou's haunting vocal and Daniel's stunning production, though not nearly as warm as 'Shine'. I listen mainly to the vocal, the way the track builds and want to really hear the fundamentals of the bass.
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by u5227470736789439
The possibiltiy of assembling a uninversal list simply does not exist!

Of yours the only one I could imagine was the Recordare [Mozart Requiem] from Christie et al, whom I would not rate as a really viable option in the music for me!

About the only thing that becomes apparent from your list is that any chosen set has to reproduce the recordings of favourite music one loves most in the best possible way! In other words, a reasonable approximation to what one has listened to live... One needs to consider that this is not necessarily always the case as some fine recorded music performances are not always particularly natural as to sonority.

Naturally any set I would choose would have to optimise my favourite music, and it has to be said that I have only a very few recordings that are not to some degree likely to be seen as flawed by most people.

Really the actual techinical perfection of a recording is irreleveant provided that the musical balances and phrase nuancing are preserved. There is a big range of sonorities that falls within the natural, as presented in various halls. A small gig in a pub has a very different sonority to something in the Wigmore Hall, or a big hall like the the RAH or the RFH. Thus unless something is wildy worng, provided a set does the musical eseentialials it is very difficult to be categorical about sonority. Sonority differentiation is much more important than ultimate accuracy, which in any case depends on the recording being accurate, which is more or less very rare...

Fredrik
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by rocketboy
I am not trying to put together a 'definitive list' or anything that clinical. Every single audiophile I know has a disc or collection of discs they take with them when listening in shops, etc. I am just asking what they are and why are those the ones you chose?

Worst case scenario, we might find some new music to listen to...
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear rocketboy!

I mistook you intention, especially as your list was so nicely prepared. Humourless Fredrik, unintentionally strikes again!

Well my list is filed in a lovely Thread called A Record Library, here in this very Forum (Music Room). The actual library appears on page two, and let me say when I turn up with perhaps a quarter of these in two big suit cases, to play as the mood takes me, I have the ability to cause 'jaw drop' on the part Hifi selling men! Then I explain to them what is going on musically! Those who have sold me kit know to leave me unattended!

Fredrik
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by rocketboy
Sorry Fredrik... I didn't mean to sound bitchy either... Smile

I'll browse your thread...
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by matt podniesinski
Rocketboy,

I guess I approach it a little differently. I pretty much take some discs which I am into at the time and wing it. That being said I have test drove some gear using same albums by Sam Philips and Emmylou that you have in your list. I have also demoed using anything from Coltrane to semi-obsure punk bands to Funkadelic. Actually as you get farther from standard audiophile territory you often tend to get left alone and allowed to listen by yourself.

Regards
Matt
Posted on: 11 June 2006 by rocketboy
That is so true Matt. Try 'Dogman' by King's X to clear out a room. Works like a charm. I once fired it up on a Levinson/Wilson set up and the salesman near shat himself.

Great track too...
Posted on: 12 June 2006 by Gary S.
The first track on Billy Joel's Piano Man is call Travellin' Prayer. It has the most amazing number and variety of instruments which come in one at a time until they are all playing along together. I like to pick one instrument and see how easy it is to follow.

Gary
Posted on: 12 June 2006 by Jono 13
For sheer clarity you can't beat Nick Drake's "Fruit Tree" so show the ability of a system to deliver the goods.

I also like taking a bit of Joy Division, Jack Johnson, Kasabian, New Order, MJQ and something classical.

Jono
Posted on: 12 June 2006 by matt podniesinski
quote:
Originally posted by rocketboy:
That is so true Matt. Try 'Dogman' by King's X to clear out a room. Works like a charm. I once fired it up on a Levinson/Wilson set up and the salesman near shat himself.

Great track too...



Times like that make it all worthwhile.

Matt
Posted on: 12 June 2006 by stephenjohn
I always listen to my Pinnock recording of Brandenburg No 2. The better the system the more music I have heard. It's almost a linear relationship.
SJ
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by blackforest
i tend to play "difficult" and "complex" music to experience the limits of a system:

- anything from a tribe called quest (a lot of bass!)

- sibelius: finlandia (karajan, berliner philharmoniker)

- liszt: klavierkonzert #2 (richter, lso)

but on the other hand the right voicing is so important, so here are a few of my vocal favourites:

- frank sinatra & tom jobim
- johnny cash: walk the line
- michael jackson: lady in my life
- marvin gaye: i want you

regards, +christian
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by rocketboy
totally grooving the marvin gaye... and al wilson... and wilson pickett...
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by JoeH
Not a reference piece of music as such, but a record I periodically dust off and play is 'The Basement Tapes' by Dylan and The Band. As the title implies, this is hardly the hi-est of fi, but it's very good at showing up the cumulative improvements in my system that I sometimes take for granted. For instance, the version of 'Wheel's on Fire' on this LP used to seem thin and lifeless compared to the Julie Driscoll version; now I can hear that The Band were actually a much better group than Brian Auger and the Trinity!
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by Diode100
I have a mono recording of William Burroughs reading extracts from The Naked Lunch that I use as a reference disc, it is great for checking the phasing of the speakers, but as the then manager of H L Smith in the Edgeware Road said when I took it in for a Rogers demo,'Not a lot of frequecy range on that one, is there son ?'.
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by hungryhalibut
I always play 'Red Right Hand' from Nick Cave's 'Let Love In' album. Partly because it's one of my favourite songs ever, but partly because it really show's a systems ability to partry quiet bits without being overwhelmed by loud bits. There is a big 'bong' sound which gradually fades away, and a bit of hammond in the background which a good system portrays very well.

My second fave is 'Tender Blue' from EBTG's 'Eden' album.

Other than that, I just grab a handful.........

Nigel
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by Derek Wright
Nigel

I thought your White Stripes CD was your evaluation CD - or perhaps you use it to clear the area of old fogies <g>
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by Ears
Ortofon pick up test record... no, not the peculiar noises on the side called "The Tests" but the delightful selection of acoustic music from the Opus 3 label on the other side - mainly classical, jazz and folk. If it had included some live (unplugged)rock music from Eric Clapton, we'd have everything.
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by hungryhalibut
quote:
I thought your White Stripes CD was your evaluation CD - or perhaps you use it to clear the area of old fogies


Don't worry Derek, I've got all five of their albums if you really want your ears cleansed!!

Nigel
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by Rasher
Led Zeppelin -Tangerine. Not for any hi-fi reasons, just because it's the most beautiful 2.57m ever recorded.
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by rocketboy
Hey Rasher,

That alone is the best possible reason, no...? Tech stuff is fun, but that's why we are all here in the first place. The music... and trying to get as much enjoyment out of it as possible.
Posted on: 13 June 2006 by Sandy8
Good choice Rasher. Tangerine is my favorite Led Zep song too!
Posted on: 15 June 2006 by Wolf
When I went to audition Naim kit 5 yers ago I took John Adams' violin concerto because it was well recorded and would be a full orchestra. but also listened to teh slow movement which is etherial and I could concentrate on subtle sounds. Then switched to a gilbert and sullivan recording of Topsy Turvy where one song Three Little Maids are We is sung by 3 women with close voicing to check on seperation. I actually gave my dealer a copy of this and said he plays it now to show people that track. Plus it's fun music for a small orchestra with good string, woodwind and brass moments. Then they always say play something you're really familiar with so I put on a Beatles album.
Posted on: 15 June 2006 by antony d
Here is mine which are currently running in my system

Paul Simon Graceland (remastered) - bass voice, rythem - almost music perfection!

The Stone Roses - Best Of - Fools gold - if this track does not rock the system - try making sure the mains are on!

Cat Stevens - Peace train - Powerfull drive - recorded live gives the track more warmth, classic from the comeback Kid!

Tori Amos The Beakepper (sweet the Sting) - The later day Kate Bush - harmony, drive, wounderfull recording - will make most systems sound good

Smile
Posted on: 15 June 2006 by Guido Fawkes
When I try out a new system I often use


  • Baron Saturday from The Pretty Things' SF Sorrow
  • Mad Hatter's Song from Incredible String Band's 5000 Spirits
  • Everything's AOR by Half Man, Half Biscuit
  • Nottamun Town by Shirley Collins and Davey Graham
  • Mahler's 5th - Bernstein


If that little collection doesn't sound good then I just give up. I think it goes quite well across the range of music I listen to.

I used to use Don't Hang Up by 10CC, but I don't seem to use that anymore. It is quite a good test piece as it combines lots of different sounds, but it isn't my favourite song - so these days I just play a few of my favourite things.
Posted on: 18 June 2006 by HR
Further Attempts, todd Garfinkel, piano
Don't Smoke in Bed, Holly Cole, voice
Una Sera Noche

If those pieces do not sound right then that sound system is not for me.