Honour Killing?

No honour I can see!

And sadly, the practice is not unknown in the UK. Honour killing? An absolute contradiction.
Ken

Where do these daft names come from?

Honour Killing is exactly in the same mentality of mixed up meanings as Joy Riding>

Call a spade a spade I say.

Kiling is killing. Very hard to justify at all.

George

This honour killing, on top of being so cruel and senseless, is also completely one-sided.
It is always the females who bring disgrace and dishonour to their families and are being punished to death. The males on the other hand are free to fornicate at will without any consequences.

Haim

This book is very enlightening, though it is fiction it looks into live in Afganistan under the Taliban, from this context it shows how women (and female children) are treated by their husbands. Almost beggars believe.



I found it more powerful than 'Kite Runner'

Diccus

We are all conditioned by our up-bringing. In many countries honour killing is perfectly acceptable - indeed, honourable. Might even be illegal in some of them....

I agree with George on this one. Bad is Bad always has been always will be.

As the piece in the Guardian states the young girl was killed by predudice and ignorance, along with fear of the unknown, as much as by her father.

Nice touch at the end about the mother running away and seeking a divorce. I hope he enjoys his time on earth all the more now.

Remember the more you mix the colours together the more they end up looking the same.

Jono

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Originally posted by Diccus62:
I found it more powerful than 'Kite Runner'

Not difficult - I found it impossible to warm to the narrator.

Everyone else (stereotypical villains excepted) seemed rather noble.

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:

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Originally posted by Diccus62:
I found it more powerful than 'Kite Runner'

Not difficult - I found it impossible to warm to the narrator.

Everyone else (stereotypical villains excepted) seemed rather noble.

I'm glad somebody else thought 'The Kite Runner' was weak. Mystified me why it has been so succesful. The section in the US I though had genuine pathos, was original and interesting. The rest seemed clumsy to me.

Bruce

Dear All,

When i lived in Leicestre a few years ago a regular feature was a poor new recently imported Pakistani Bride falling over a parafin stove and tragically burning to death ina centrally heated house.

So nothing new.

There is no honour in religious bigotry and persecution of others or murder of others.

If your culture and or religion requires HONOUR KILLING then it is moribund and OBSCENE.

regards David

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Originally posted by DAVOhorn:

If your culture and or religion requires HONOUR KILLING then it is moribund and OBSCENE.

regards David

What is abhorrent in Leicester, a mainly white city, in a mainly white country, with predominately Christian religion, and secular law-making is quite different from what is acceptable and sometimes legal in self-governing Muslim countries.

Couldn't agree more Nigel! Who are we to judge?

Let's not forget all the equally dreadful & wicked acts "civilised" western states perform,
as well as their citizens.

Dear Nigel,

I found your comment interesting in that it seems to condone the persecution and murder of individuals who have offended their culture religion.

As another respondent stated it is mainly women who suffer the persecution and the men who are blameless.

Surely the murder of a person without access to a legal system is as i have stated.

regards david

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Originally posted by DAVOhorn:
Dear Nigel,

I found your comment interesting in that it seems to condone the persecution and murder of individuals who have offended their culture religion.

I don't condone it; I was pointing out that whilst you might find it abhorrent from your cultural perspective others do not and would no more understand your position than you do theirs.

There can't be many religions/cutures without a thou shall not kill rule/comandment, and any that do this with a perverted sense of logic is no religion worth the name.IMO

You forget all the killing & torture performed in the name of Christianity through the ages Biggy. Most religions are bad news IMO.

I was saying really the punishment does not fit the crime. As for religious wars/Crusades etc( not only Christians BTW) who knows what the human race thinks at times.One would like to have thought that governments make those sorts of decisions these killings are made by vigilantes.

Just like all the killings in N. Ireland carried out by 'vigilantes' in the name of Christianity.

Some evils are absolute, and the so-called honour killing is one of them. Just because it might be acceptable to some societies does not mean that we should refrain from the strongest possible condemnation of the practice.

Historically, most (if not all) of the major religions have been the excuse for terrible crimes. Just because Christians took part in the Crusades and persecuted Muslims does not mean that we should tolerate evil carried out by Muslims. The principles of both religions are admirable but they are misinterpreted in such a way as to justify acts which all decent people abhor.

Ken

All murder is an absolute evil Ken; it doesn't matter who kills who or why.

We should condemn all acts of violence,
but this can sound like hypocrisy due to the evil done in the name of Christianity,
& uk.gov.con's relationship with the CoE involves non-religious types like me.

Who are we to judge, as some hippy dude alledgedly once asked?
We don't have our own house in order, & that's probably the best place for us to start!

There is a very sad & long history of people tearing
lumps out of each other in the name religion.

Historically

No Ken!
It's as bad as ever & I'm surprised it appears I need to tell you this.

The principles of both religions are admirable
but the practice leaves much to be desired.
I'm sure you would agree we have a real duty to speak out against violence,
torture, murder, etc, whoever the perpetrator is.

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it appears I need to tell you this.

What ever gives you that idea?
Ken

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Historically, most (if not all) of the major religions have been the excuse for terrible crimes. Just because Christians took part in the Crusades and persecuted Muslims does not mean that we should tolerate evil carried out by Muslims.

Fearing an e-misunderstanding I did say it appears. Have I misunderstood?

You did indeed. Appearances perhaps to the contrary, I believe that we were and are in total agreement.
Ken

Phew!

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Originally posted by 555:
You forget all the killing & torture performed in the name of Christianity through the ages Biggy. Most religions are bad news IMO.

No the commonality is not religion, but ulterior motives...

Never holding the big tarring brush,

Andrew Randle