Best rap hip/hop last 20 years?
Posted by: Big Brother on 14 August 2006
Not much to add to this..Rap doesn't get much mention in these forums that being taken over by skinny white boys and dead germans.. I'll start it off with my picks...Public Enemy: He Got Game,/ Eminem;Encore /De La Soul; Buhloon Mindstate / Wu- Tang Clan; Enter the Wu-Tang / Gohstface Killah; Fishscale / Black Star; Enta Da Stage..... Anymore suggestions...these are all more favorites than 'seminal' albums or classics per say...maybe something more off the beaten track....?
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Big Brother
quote:
You missed the best part.
Now it's all "bum-bum"!
I doubt it, thing we have to remember folks is that the 'hos' and 'bit@#$hes' is all SIC, a sense of humor is required..Of course the little kiddies in the baggy pants take it seriously but then take everything fairly grim at that age, so did some us once upon a time...
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by scottyhammer
bb,
"classics" are you sure!
youre right about one thing nobody can take it seriously!! or serious music anyway.
scotty
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by scottyhammer
its a bit like wrestling - not the olympic sport but the crap you get on sky! i mean come on! PLEEEAASSEE !
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Big Brother
quote:
bit like wrestling - not the olympic sport but the crap you get on sky! i mean come on! PLEEEAASSEE !
Not an expert but I suppose the difference between the olympic sort and the fake 'drive 'em into the turnbuckle sort is that the latter is actually entertaining to a great number of people..Regards...BB
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by scottyhammer
yeah said like a true septic!!
entertaining to a great number of people ( aged around 10)
like crap music - cant take it seriously.
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by scottyhammer
wrestling and rap is for kids- full stop!
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by scottyhammer
gone are the good old days when we had the likes of:
jackie pallo
mick mcmanus
les kellett
kendo negasaki
now thats what i call entertainment - very funny indeed!!
scotty
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by scottyhammer:
gone are the good old days when we had the likes of:
kendo negasaki
now thats what i call entertainment - very funny indeed!!
scotty
She's the main man in her office in the city and she treats me like I'm just another lackey
But I can put a tennis racket up against my face and pretend that I am Kendo NagasakiHMHB from Everything's AOR on McIntyre, Treadmore And Davitt
After all what can you do
when your mum's in Rampton bouncing off the walls
and singing who's afraid
of Virginia WadeThere's an outbreak of Vitas Gerulaitis in the town from the same album.
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by jasons
When i first saw the title of this thread on the main page, i just knew there were going to be people slagging off someones musical taste.
Mind you, if you read a lot of the classical threads, there are loads of people slagging that off.
For heavens sake people, each to their own. If you dont like it then dont post, as we do with classical or the recent Prog Rock thread.
Amyways, were did i put that Tribe Called Quest CD?
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Big Brother
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were did i put that Tribe Called Quest CD?
I've got the Tribe's Anthology on an lp twofer, LA Underground, the local shop sells the latest on vinyl only !!
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brother:
the local shop sells the latest on vinyl only !!
Time to go analogue then!
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by jasons:
When i first saw the title of this thread on the main page, i just knew there were going to be people slagging off someones musical taste.
I wasn't slagging anything off - honest. I just saw mention of Kendo Nagasaki and it made me smile.
Was
Cosmic Debris (1974) by Frank Zappa - the first Rap record?
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by dave brubeck
All I can say is 'Public Enemy' - what a band.
I can understand the posts expressing total lack of respect for rap music, since, to be honest, 95% is c rap.
One of the problems with Public Enemy is that they are (were?) sadly very much underplayed on UK radio stations.
Many years ago a young lady who sat in front of me in English class at school kindly lent me a Public Enemy tape. I listened to it for a while and thought what a pile of rubbish - just a noise. However, I have found that I dislike initially most albums I go on to really like. Public Enemy was no exception. Fantastically layered and complex.
So to all the old f&rts and non-believers, go out and buy a copy of 'Fear Of A Black Planet' and find out what a protest song really is.
I sincerely believe Public Enemy are up there with the likes of Hendrix as musical innovators, innit.
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by matt podniesinski
Not my favorite genre but Fear Of A Black Planet is a great record period. In the white hip hop vein I have always liked the Beastie Boys in the Paul's Boutique/Ill Communication era.
Matt
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Sir Cycle Sexy
RAP = Rhythm And Poetry = GSH = Gil Scott-Heron.
C
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Muttly
I'm not a huge fan of the genre but I do have a few favourites this is a list of some pretty good albums IMHO:-
US Artists
Beastie Boys - Anthology: Sounds of Science
De La Soul - 3ft High an Rising
Run DMC - Greatest Hits
Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet
UK Artists
Tricky - Maxinquaye
Asian Dub Foundation - Rafi's Revenge
Most UK artist that I like who have rap heritage or roots lean more towards dance (big beat) than a Hip Hop sound, such as Massive Attack and Leftfield.
SJH
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Big Brother
quote:
One of the problems with Public Enemy is that they are (were?) sadly very much underplayed on UK radio stations.
Another problem with rap is that a great deal of its best can't be played on the radio, not without an awful lot of editing that would spoil the.. er... flavor of the original.
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by Muttly
Must add
Gorillaz - Gorillaz
Gorillaz - Demon Days
N.E.R.D. - In Search Of...
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by kuma
Didn't dig Gorillaz.
How about the Arrested Development?
Posted on: 14 August 2006 by SteveGa
How about this one? And some history:
Last Poets were rappers of the civil rights era. Along with the changing domestic landscape came the New York City-hip group called The Last Poets, who used obstreperous verse to chide a nation whose inclination was to maintain the colonial yoke around the neck of the disenfranchised.
Shortly after the death of Martin Luther King, The Last Poets were born. David Nelson, Gylan Kain, and Abiodun Oyewole, were born on the anniversary of Malcolm X's birthday May 19, 1968 in Marcus Garvey Park. They grew from three poets and a drummer to seven young black and Hispanic artists: David Nelson, Gylan Kain, Abiodun Oyewole, Felipe Luciano, Umar Bin Hassan, Jalal Nurridin, and Suliamn El Hadi. They took their name from a poem by South African poet Willie Kgositsile, who posited the necessity of putting aside poetry in the face of looming revolution.
"When the moment hatches in time's womb there will be no art talk," he wrote. "The only poem you will hear will be the spearpoint pivoted in the punctured marrow of the villain....Therefore we are the last poets of the world."
The Last Poets has brought together music and the word. Like Haki Madhubuti (Don L. Lee), they are/were modern day griots expressing the nation- building fervor of the Black Panthers in poems written for black people. As the great poet Amiri Baraka (LeRoi Jones) says, "The Last Poets are the prototype Rappers... the kina nigger you don never wanna meet!" They teach what America does to its Black men, what Black men do to themselves, and WHY!
Posted on: 15 August 2006 by David Tribe
I don't like lots of rap, particularly the crotch grabbing video crap on MTV or BET. Well... I do like to turn the sound down and watch the 'ho's shake that "junk" while listening to Zappa or Pink Floyd or nearly anything else.
Here is some Rap/Hip Hop that I like.
Beastie Boys, "Licence to Ill" and "Pauls Boutique".Snotty Ney York white boy rap.
Cypress Hill, "Black Sunday" Pro pot, stoner rap including "Insane In the Brain" Play this even more f***in loud than usual for rap. You'll get a contact high.
Ice T, "The Iceberg/Freedom of Speech...Just Watch What You Say" This is angry, political Hardcore rap with a rock influence. Jello Biafra guests on one song/rant. Good stuff! I have refused to buy "Home Invasion" because he caved in to the "rabid right" and removed the song "Cop Killer" from later pressings but I would love to find a copy with "Cop Killer" on it.
Public Enemy, "Fear of a Black Planet" and "There's a Poison Going On". One early and one later angry political/social Hardcore Rap. P E were adept at creating layer upon layer of texture and great beats with found sounds and pissed off lyrics. So Meaty!
cLOUDDEAD, "Ten". Underground Rap. These guys blend layers of textures and complex beats with some of the fastest, most precise raps I have heard. Really interesting lyrics too.
Antipop Consortium, "Arrhythmia" is full length and "Ends Against the Middle" is an EP. Also Underground Rap. As with cLOUDDEAD, APC combines numerous layers and beats with rapid fire,clever raps. The Underground Rap that I have heard (not much) is pretty sohpisticated stuff. Far removed from the smack-my-bitch-up bling bling bullshit that mainstream Rap/Hip Hop is. APC also has a Japanese only release called "Shopping Carts Crashing". This is hard to find and spendy but well worth it.
DCT
Posted on: 15 August 2006 by manicatel
Do The Fun Lovin Criminals count as rap? I like them. Other than that, I tend to find the rap/hip-hop/jungle scene very limited for me. I can't really hear that much development or progression from the days of Grandmaster Flash. I did like "The Message".
I find rap to be lacking in dynamics, tonal/melodic variation & rhythmically stagnant.
If I'm in a club & its being played, then fair enough, thats where it belongs, but I couldn't sit down & listen to it on a hi-fi, just couldn't see the point.Only my opinion.
Oh, I don't like Pink Floyd/70's rock etc either.
Each to their own,& all that.
matt.
Posted on: 15 August 2006 by Jono 13
DJ PunkRoc's Chicken Eye is either really rather good or taking the piss, I still can't decide.
Jono
Posted on: 15 August 2006 by blackforest
i can't stand some people's intolerance... rap and hip hop IS music.
or does anybody write "classic is for old farts"?
no - so show a little respect please.
i listen to almost any genre and even if i don't buy any more hip hop i can name a few favourites out of my couple of hundred hip hop records:
- everything by a tribe called quest
- de la soul: long island (!)
- everything by jeru da damaja
- almost everything by gangstarr esp. moment of
truth
- jurrasic 5
- slum village
- the first two nasty nas albums (!)
- dj krush (from japan)
- roots manoeva (from gb)
- grandmaster flash
- grouphome
- timbaland
- some jay z (unplugged!)
- some (early)outkast
in my opinion there is a bold red line from jazz to funk to disco to hip/hop. very recommended is the 2cd-set by soulwax records: big apple rappin. verrry disco/funky/hip hop.
regards, christian
Posted on: 15 August 2006 by Michael Dale
quote:
Originally posted by David Tribe:
I don't like lots of rap, particularly the crotch grabbing video crap on MTV or BET. Well... I do like to turn the sound down and watch the 'ho's shake that "junk" while listening to Zappa or Pink Floyd or nearly anything else.
Here is some Rap/Hip Hop that I like.
Beastie Boys, "Licence to Ill" and "Pauls Boutique".Snotty Ney York white boy rap.
Cypress Hill, "Black Sunday" Pro pot, stoner rap including "Insane In the Brain" Play this even more f***in loud than usual for rap. You'll get a contact high.
Ice T, "The Iceberg/Freedom of Speech...Just Watch What You Say" This is angry, political Hardcore rap with a rock influence. Jello Biafra guests on one song/rant. Good stuff! I have refused to buy "Home Invasion" because he caved in to the "rabid right" and removed the song "Cop Killer" from later pressings but I would love to find a copy with "Cop Killer" on it.
Public Enemy, "Fear of a Black Planet" and "There's a Poison Going On". One early and one later angry political/social Hardcore Rap. P E were adept at creating layer upon layer of texture and great beats with found sounds and pissed off lyrics. So Meaty!
cLOUDDEAD, "Ten". Underground Rap. These guys blend layers of textures and complex beats with some of the fastest, most precise raps I have heard. Really interesting lyrics too.
Antipop Consortium, "Arrhythmia" is full length and "Ends Against the Middle" is an EP. Also Underground Rap. As with cLOUDDEAD, APC combines numerous layers and beats with rapid fire,clever raps. The Underground Rap that I have heard (not much) is pretty sohpisticated stuff. Far removed from the smack-my-bitch-up bling bling bullshit that mainstream Rap/Hip Hop is. APC also has a Japanese only release called "Shopping Carts Crashing". This is hard to find and spendy but well worth it.
DCT
Great to see cLOUDDEAD mentioned here. Ten is indeed a stunning record, and I started exploring the prolific output of Doseone, Why? Nosdam etc soon after hearing it cos it's impression on me was huge. The Why? solo albums are superb, particularly Elephant Eyelash, though more indie/folkie but still with a hip hop attitude. Doseone must make records 24/7! It's hard to keep up with his workload. The Subtle album "A New White" is fantastic. It's prog rock with his very precise, often camp and funny rapping. The 13 & God album is Themselves (another Doseone project) and The No Twist getting together with excellent and often very beautiful results.
There's tons of great hip hop out there. Don't let the pimped up, stagnant poop that MTV are peddling put you off. You wouldn't trust them to guide you through other musical genres now, would you? ;-)
Mickey
