The price of trade with Lybia

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Originally posted by fatcat:


The points is, Britain and its allies have killed many more than 700.

I don't think you can just add in the phrase "and its allies" to bring a death toll up to 700, or any other figure. The UK was equated with mass murders and state sponsorship of terrorism by Libya; and I asked Avole to back this up. He has not been able to do so. The UK formed a small percentage of the coalition and it would be imposible to work out which deaths the UK was responsible for.

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Coalition forces in Iraq have killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Stating that after a certain date coalition forces where not the major cause of civilian fatalities is irrelevant. They are still responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

The civilian death toll in Iraq is largely due to Muslim on Muslim bombings. The last line of my reply above is also appropriate here.

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The same applies for Afghanistan. Though as yet not on the same scale.

My comments are also equally vaild for Afghanistan.

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Are you really suggesting that the response to Al Qaeda being responsible for the deaths of downs syndrome women is to kill more innocent civilians.

Not for a second, and I'm not sure how you draw that inferance. I used the example a) to show howMuslims are being killed my Muslims, and b) to show how despicable AQ are.

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Nato wouldn’t kill hundreds of Serbians if they were being ethnically cleansed by the Croations. Although you never know.

You have no way of knowing this, and in fact on a moments reflection I think most people would disagree.

Regards

Mike

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Originally posted by Mike-B:
I fully realise we need to work with some unpalatable countries & individuals in this world, but full pelt headlong arse licking without including some balance for the benefits of this country is not good politics.

Mike

The Libyans probably thought the same when they found out Gaddafi was dealing with Burlusconi

His antics in Italy were quite amusing. The wearing of a picture of a Libyan freedom fighter taken prior to his execution by Italian colonialists was pure genius.

Would you also class America, Russia, China and Britain as unpalatable. After all, in the last 20 years they have been responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents.


A quote from Gaddafi’s speech yesterday
"It should not be called the Security Council," he said through a translator. "It should be called the terror council."

Can't argue with that.

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Originally posted by Mike Lacey:

The civilian death toll in Iraq is largely due to Muslim on Muslim bombings. The last line of my reply above is also appropriate here.

Most people would disagree with your reasoning that its OK to kill tens of thousands of Muslims on the basis that even more Muslims have been kill by fellow Muslims.

Unfortunately, I suspect there are a few people who agree with you.

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Originally posted by fatcat:

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Originally posted by Mike Lacey:

The civilian death toll in Iraq is largely due to Muslim on Muslim bombings. The last line of my reply above is also appropriate here.

Most people would disagree with your reasoning that its OK to kill tens of thousands of Muslims on the basis that even more Muslims have been kill by fellow Muslims.

Unfortunately, I suspect there are a few people who agree with you.

maybe a few of the naive and mike of course, hopefully not many.

All Friends & Desperadoes - you obviously have opposing views and I guess some would say unfathomably so.

I will however say that whilst I do not agree with many of points over these last days, I was not a supporter of the invasion of Iraq or the current misguided activities in Afghanistan, but I do know that all are a hell of a lot more complex than us simple Naim'ites scoring black vs white points these complexities. My personal experience of the Iraq situation is that the daily, hourly & wholly unreported killings & localised mafia type terrorism - Muslim on Muslim - is by far more evil, personal & sinister than the comparative but very regrettable few deaths caused by the remote & detached western powers.

It is your right to have these views and to express them freely. However I do not want to get into an obscure ping pong on the rights and wrongs of whatever point you are trying to make. My only point on the instigation of this string of notes was that I feel very strongly anti UK Government - Brown Blair et al - as they have chosen to deal with probably one of this planets least trustworthy national leaders in trade deals without any regard for the past Libyan state sponsored and state caused killing & maiming of UK citizens on UK soil. Gaddafi has gotten away with it and the icing on his personal cake is the freedom of Al Magrahi.

Your argument whatever its rights & wrongs are is outside the scope of my post, therefore once again I am outta here.

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Originally posted by fatcat:

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Originally posted by Mike Lacey:

The civilian death toll in Iraq is largely due to Muslim on Muslim bombings. The last line of my reply above is also appropriate here.

Most people would disagree with your reasoning that its OK to kill tens of thousands of Muslims on the basis that even more Muslims have been kill by fellow Muslims.

Unfortunately, I suspect there are a few people who agree with you.

I have not that; you are deliberately distorting my comments.