Just back from MUSE at the SECC

Any pictures to share??

I am looking forward to going to see them in Turin in four weeks. Making a weekend of it with a meal at one of the only Michelin stared restaurants in the city the following night. Staying in a new hotel in the old Fiat factory (as seen in "The Italian Job"). The drive I know to be a spectacular one through the mountains, which are now covered in a layer of snow that is here for the duration I think. Really looking forward to all of that (although an open air concert in December in a city that is cold enough to have hosted the winter olympics is going to be a, err, novelty)

It's such a shame that Muse are, unbeknownst to me, terrible, and worse than Phil Collins. According to George anyway.

Glad you enjoyed it shrink - I have always rated Muse as one of the best live performers around at the moment.

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Originally posted by rodwsmith:
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It's such a shame that Muse are, ... , terrible, and worse than Phil Collins. According to George anyway.

Dear Rod,

There is absolutely nothing wrong with an opinion or expressing it, but as ever, opinion is personal, and everyone who is faintly interested should definitely audition for themselves and decide for themselves what is their own opinion!

The expression of an opinion has nothing to do with fact, beyond the fact that it is the expression of individual opinion.

I dislike Muse, and I dislike consensus a lot more!

I suspect that consensus is far more dangerous than Muse ever will be! They are only likely to spoil the hearing of the people who go to their live gigs ...

ATB from George

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Originally posted by GFFJ:
Dear Rod,

There is absolutely nothing wrong with an opinion or expressing it, but as ever, opinion is personal, and everyone who is faintly interested should definitely audition for themselves and decide for themselves what is their own opinion!

The expression of an opinion has nothing to do with fact, beyond the fact that it is the expression of individual opinion.

I dislike Muse, and I dislike consensus a lot more!

I suspect that consensus is far more dangerous than Muse ever will be! They are only likely to spoil the hearing of the people who go to their live gigs ...

ATB from George

George that's very sweet, and I enjoy your posts a lot, but you stated quite baldly - as fact - a number of things, including a prophecy, which were not just your expressing opinions but were factually wrong, silly, derogatory and shouldn't have a place on a music discussion board:

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If I were commenting in a derogatory way on Phil Collins, who has more tallent in his little finger than Muse has in total, it would no doubt be a laugh.

I find the current interest in Muse - and they will be coompletelely forgotten long before Collins, whom I do not admire - strange to say the least.

They are terrible. No buts on that one as far as I can see. Even Coldplay actually have produced more interesting pure pop music.

Someone using this forum to decide, as you put it, whether to audition and decide for themselves, surely wouldn't if they took your words at face value. That's not expressing an opinion - it's being false almost to the point of malice, and the replies subsequent to your post demonstrated it.

I imagine that there is a strong possibility that more people will see Muse play live in 2009/10 than any other single performing act. And they will have chosen to pay handsomely for the privilege. Clearly they do not think them 'terrible'. You can dislike them all you want, but describing them as terrible is to rate your own taste as being superior to that of other people. It isn't. No-one's is.

Sorry chaps.. no pictures... i went straight from work on the monday and was all a little rushed. Tried to take some pics on my phone but was really too busy enjoying the gig to care.

Whether or not MUSE are your own personal taste, i would imagine that most forward thinking people would have enough sense to realise that their taste is not the only one that counts in this world. Im sure the 12500 muse fans packed into hall 4 of the SECC would disagree with your appraisal of the situation.

I for one enjoy a hugely broad variety of music, and although I cannot stomach muse in great quantity, i did find that they were absolutely superb as a live performance.

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Originally posted by rodwsmith:
You can dislike them [Muse] all you want, but describing them as terrible is to rate your own taste as being superior to that of other people. It isn't. No-one's is.

Dear Rod,

I think you and indeed anyone should be careful not to read opinion as fact. Indeed, I suspect that everyone should be careful to read anything as fact on an internet Forum if the so the called fact is not backed up with an accdemic reference.

Clearly I was expressing my opinion [which is clearly not a question of a statement of fact as such], and my opinion has not changed on this since I first listened to a Muse album which I was loaned more than 12 months ago. I have expressed facts on this Forum before now, but usually also quote accademic sources when it is a case of expressing a statement of a fact. If I do not make an accademic reference then you should assume from now on that I am expressing my opinion alone. Would you prefer that I watered my opinion down to save your feelings in future? I do not think my opinion is worth more than anyone else's here, but if I moderated it to fit with yours and others who might disagree with it, then the expression of my opinion would certainly be worth less than your expression of your opinions or indeed that of any other posters here, don't you think? It would amount to a telling of any untruth - a misrepresentation of my opinion which helps no one, and may mislead with good intent. The road to Hell is paved with good intent.

But if people like Muse and they enjoy the music and live performances then the artists concerned have clearly been successful in their aim. The radio is played at work [and I wish it was not so], resulting, in the last more than two years, in my having been exposed to more popular music than I had been for years before that. The choice of station is democratic rather than mine. Sometimes I retune the set to Radio Four for a rest from it! And no, there is not much modern pop music which I do enjoy, so being unable to enjoy it means that I am left to endure it, including the music of Muse. Exposure to something a person does not enjoy is apt to produce a firm reaction against it.

No doubt YMMV.

ATB from George

Muse were brilliant in Turin on Friday

This was the last night of a fairly lengthy tour and I was worried they might have become a bit sick of the same playlist and so on.
But no, they played with all the energy and verve they are famous (and win 'best live act' repeatedly) for, and added an extra encore as it was the last night.
A performance with passion and they all looked like they enjoyed every minute of it.

Very good 360° stage and light show, but which didn't overwhelm the music, and the sound quality was as good as it gets in these enormous auditoria (fortunately was not open-air).

Although the date and distance don't suit me nearly as well, I think I will buy a ticket to the show in Milan in June. Can't really express it higher than that.