Music Making On Modern Recordings

Posted by: u5227470736789439 on 07 February 2008

I sent an email recently, which touched on my perspectives concerning recordings. Here are two paragraphs worthy of some consideration perhaps:

It was my experience of listening to 78s that made me entirely tolerant of rough surfaces on records, and aware of the great musicians recording in the pre-LP era. I consider that perspective priceless even now. It gave me a particular interest in performance styles and how appropriate were the older styles of playing compared to much of what passes muster today - or for me actually all too often does not pass muster. Furtwangler had a wonderful phrase to describe the way performance was already going by the mid-fifties. "Treacherous [technical] perfection, and loveless [spiritual] mediocrity!"

Those old musicians were incredibly unselfconcious, and they did not regard recording a few mistakes as of any significance if the performance carried conviction. Hence my utter inability to cope with edited [perfected to death] recording where the swing, and flow, and power of music making are sacrificed on the alter of a note perfect representaion of the the score. Notice I do not call this a "performance." It is not, but merely the most clean [and concomitantly dull] parts of perhaps half a dozen performances! How can a performance with integrity and conviction be anything other than made as a continuous flowing inevitable whole? If it is too poor technically, then it should be scrapped, and a new effort made on a day when things were going better. There are some surprising performances on 78s and early LP recordings that were never issued because of technical flaws, and which could not be "fixed" by editing. Often these flaws seem rather insignifican if the recording is eventually issued!

It seems to me that the problems of modern recording have far more to do with editing, and musical integrity than what style of recording machines are used.

I wonder if anyone agrees with me, or not, and if you might like to comment on the perspective shown in those two paragraphs.

George
Posted on: 07 February 2008 by abbydog
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"Treacherous [technical] perfection, and loveless [spiritual] mediocrity!"


Funny, thats exactly the way I feel about a lot of modern hi-fi, especially the digital stuff...
Posted on: 07 February 2008 by u5227470736789439
Digital makes the editing seem seemless! And there is the rub. The continuity is lost, and the rest is pointless.

There is a funny story about Otto Klemperer recording Beethoven's Eight Symphony with the Philharmonia.

The French Horns went wrong, but Klemperer did not stop. At the end Walter Legge [EMI's senior producer] rang down to Klemperer on the studio phone, and pointed out the error [Klemperer laconically replied, "Yes."], and asked if the music could be taken for six bars after cue letter "F" to patch the recording.

Klemperer replied that if that was to be done, he refused to have his name on the record label. "Put Legge on it instead, if you like!"

Klemperer then recorded the whole Finale again, overan the session, and that is how it is released even today!

A shame we don't have more musicians like that nowadays!

George
Posted on: 07 February 2008 by u5227470736789439
There is another story of Edwin Fischer recording the Wanderer Fantasy of Schubert at Abbey Road. It is a very difficult piece to actually play and Fischer was occasionally a nervous recording artist, and unfortunately there are one or two moments in the finshed recording, rightfully still available seventy odd years on, where there is some tension on the nervy level.

The producer suggested at the end of the day's recording a couple of retaken sides, but as Fischer ruefully observed, "They are unlikely to be better as a performance."

The publication was of Take Ones, right through, as Fischer had thought likely! The alternate takes were clean, technically, but hardly had the spirit of a performance to them!

George
Posted on: 08 February 2008 by Svetty
Pertinent observations as usual George - ? should be in the Music room though.
Posted on: 08 February 2008 by u5227470736789439
Bump for the weekend! I am off for a beer or seven, relaxed that I am in honest employment again! George
Posted on: 11 February 2008 by Gerontius' Dream
Good points, George. The modern techniques of editing and splicing cannot but mar the integrity of a good musical performance. Otto Klemperer himself is said to have referred to the practice as "ein Schwindel". What he would have thought about recording Mahler's Eighth without the organ parts, and then adding these in later, using a recording made on an organ on another continent, (as has been done, although I don't remember which recording it was) makes the mind boggle.

In their earlier days at least, Nimbus had a declared policy of recording only complete performances, and using the edit strictly as a last resort, "to save a performance, not to create one".

I have only a very few Nimbus discs, so cannot judge whether they are generally better than the average in that respect.
Posted on: 11 February 2008 by u5227470736789439
Dear Dai,

I have the Haydn Symphonies 82 to 104 on Nimbus [Austro-Hungarian Haydn Orch under Fischer], and yes, warts and all they are not ruined with editing! They actually do have the swing of real performances, and that I value.

One recording that was barely edited was Handel's Messiah on DG Archive [Pinnock]. The seesions went so well that the actual recording resulted almost entirely from a performance given in one swing at the end, and very little from earlier survived. The bit part approach turned into a rehearsal! Pinnock was most enthusiastic about it on Kaliedescope [Radio Four Arts daily Reveiew Programme before Front Row arrived with the dreaded M Lawson] shortly after the recording, but before it was released, perhaps twenty five years ago!

Another single studio perforrmance captured [against the odds] on disc is the Furtwangler recording of Schumann Four on DG. Furtwangler, after three days of fussing over details and playing this bit and that was completely unhappy. He got on the phone to the recording team and told them to prepare to record 40 minutes in one take, and then he performed the symphony without pause. That is how it was released, completely unedited! Not surprisingly he prefer to work with Bicknell for HMV, who let him take the longest takes possible in the studio. He fell out with Walter Legge for his interference ... Klemperer seemed able to completely ignore WL! Though even he eventually got fed up with him, and moved towards Suvi Raj Grubb as his favourite non-interventionist Producer!

Conversely Naxos recorded Gerontius with the Bournemouth SO and Winchester Cathedral Choir and another very big Choir under Hill. The initial recording was of a live performance followed by 27 hours of recording patches! The work runs to little shy of two hours. The result is not an artistic success! I was being taught bass by the BSO first bass at the time! He very much enjoys Gerontius!

George