surprising old people

Posted by: Rasher on 02 January 2004

I don't know if this is so unusual, but my uncle at 88, has been to a conference in san fransisco just before chistmas, and has just got back from a return visit there again this week. Buggers off to Honolulu every year for a holiday, otherwise its full time work. Walks to work across london every single day. My aunt, at 84 has just emailed me to try out her new laptop that she treated herself to this chistmas.
Ain't it great to know you just don't have to get to be an old sod if you don't want to.
I'm proud of them.
Posted on: 02 January 2004 by Bruce Woodhouse
One of the great pleasures of my job is knowing large numbers of elderly people who still lead rich and intersting lives. I look after 14 people over 90, 10 of whom live in their own homes.

I recently wrote a letter saying it was OK for an 89yrs man who wanted to do a charity abseil down the fire training tower. My eldest patient at 102 still does the Telegraph crossword most days and uses her mobile phone to ring me!

Age is a state of mind as well as body.

Bruce
Posted on: 02 January 2004 by Jez Quigley
I think I remember seeing on the telly a club for marathon runners - but you have to be a minimum of 90 years old to be a member.

It is SO tragic when people are written off with dementia. It is NOT old age it is a disease.

"Be my lover, don't cause me pain, just play me John Coltrane"
Posted on: 02 January 2004 by herm
quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:
One of the great pleasures of my job is knowing large numbers of elderly people who still lead rich and intersting lives. I look after 14 people over 90, 10 of whom live in their own homes.


That's great, Bruce. Any observations as to how we can make it that way? Or is it all genetics lottery? Do these guys / gals abstain from drink and smoke? Do they walk a lot? If you have some time to spare I'd love to hear.

Herman
Posted on: 02 January 2004 by Bruce Woodhouse
I'd say the thing they have most in common are lively minds and a positive outlook.

I have no doubt that regular exercise is good as you get older. The adage 'use it or lose it' is pretty true. Not just keeping you fit but also keeping your balance skills etc.

None smoke from memory.

Bruce
Posted on: 02 January 2004 by Simon Douglass
Are you sure your memory is ok Bruce!

Herm
I would echo what Bruce is saying; the other thing I have observed over the years is that fit elderly people also tend to be quite slim,but not thin.

Simon
Posted on: 02 January 2004 by David Stewart
quote:
the other thing I have observed over the years is that fit elderly people also tend to be quite slim, but not thin.


Which could possibly imply that correct nutrition and a balanced diet is important as well - now where's me bananas?

David

PS: Another good way of 'surprising old people' is to creep up behind them and then clap your hands really loud Big Grin
Posted on: 02 January 2004 by HTK
quote:
Originally posted by David Stewart:
PS: Another good way of 'surprising old people' is to creep up behind them and then clap your hands really loud Big Grin


Works on all ages.
Posted on: 02 January 2004 by DAVOhorn
Dear All,

a few years ago i knew a fascinating man.

In his 99th year he would get on the bus then at the designated stop got off and would then walk half a mile to the golf club .

He would then play 9 holes and have lunch with his friends. He would then be driven home.

He made it to 102 but said he could have done without his last year as he had become bedridden but with a mind that still worked well. The lack of activity really did demoralise him in his last year.

He was always very positive and young at heart in his outlook. Enjoyed rude health was very active and was of normal build. I do not believe that he smoked.

A lovely chap.

regards David
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by Jez Quigley
The old Jack Benny joke comes to mind (who was a smoker). When he reached 100 he said "If I'd have known I was going to live so long, I would have looked after myself better" Big Grin
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by Geoff P
As an inveterate smoker who finally gave it up successfully in my mid 50's, I have found in conversation with others of a similar age that they also gave up smoking "for the last time" in their 50's.
Maybe there is something about approaching retirement when traditionally you are supposed to "curl up and die" that focus the mind and increases the determination to do the exact opposite. Getting in better physical shape is I think part of that urge. Obviously economics often need to be considered which you train for by foresaking the more slobbish and often more unhealty activities aswell. The idea of getting the car out to post a letter in the box which is just a brisk 10 minutes walk away suddenly seems lazy and the idea of a bit of exercise quite appealing.
As I near 60 I am pleased that I am part of a group at work which is made up (except for me) of bright young engineers and technical consulatants who are intellectually challenging and stimulating to keep up with. I am sure that conti8nuing use of the brain and cognitive thought processes is one of the keys to staying young. The brain is the most important "muscle" in the body and needs a good daily workout to keep it up to speed.
Ther are tragedies which nobody can cater for such as Alzheimers which can suddenly rob the world of a sparkling and wise personality but that aside the thing we are most challenged to do is to continue stimulating activities in retirement. That in my opinion is one of the kesy to an extended healthy old age.
I actually applaud the idea that 65 is too early for retirement and though the motivation behind government thinking on this is rooted in the desire to reduce the old age pension bill it will be no bad thing if extension of working age starts to happen officially. Unofficially it happens already simply because there are not enough skills coming into the workplace to have the luxury of foresaking those built up over the years. The Dutch company Philips has a scheme where it reduces the pressure on it's top managers in their last few years by making them mentors who share their workload with potential candidates for their job and in the process train their replacements so they can take over more effectively when these managers do finally retire.

Oh and above all things I believe the phrase "young at heart" pretty much sums it all up, though there are times when the "mind is willing, but the flesh is weak". At least it seems that way at 6.00am on a cold, dark, wet, Monday morning. Hummmm, maybe early retirement ain't such a bad thing!!

regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by monkfish
Hi
I have a friend (69 years old) who goes to the gym 5 days a week for a workout and occasional kickboxing session and walks for miles every day regardless of weather.
He has a drink maybe 3 times a week (a bottle of wine or a few shorts) and is constantly starting and stopping smoking.
Regards
Jim
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by Don Atkinson
My wife's father is 92.

he lives about a mile from us (in his own house) and pops round to see us most days. Some days he walks, other days he drives.

Whilst he's round here he does the gardening for us.

When we play cards or Trivial persuit, he's a bugger to beat.

He's slim, doesn't smoke, but enjoys a few whiskies of a night.

He plays bowls in the summer.

He tells us all exactly what he thinks about everything, and he has an (up to date) opinion about everything.

He has a positive outlook and makes the most of each day.

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by Mick P
Chaps

I am now just 55 years of age and the chances are that I will be allowed to take voluntary early retirement in 3 months time. It's not yet certain, but the odds are well in my favour.

I intend to go to the gym, 5 days each week-day mornings, for a minimum of two months.

Once I have knocked myself into some sort of shape and have finally regained the Greek God body of my youth, I intend to take up a more enjoyable sport such as cycling, golf or archery.

The secret, I think, is to use the excess time that retirement allows to do things such as walking the four mile journey in Swindon instead of driving the car.

Also, I shall consume a glass of wine with each meal and eat less meat etc. The idea is to eat more healthily.

I am prepared to pay for personal trainers in the gym and also to invest in top notch bicycles etc, because I will live longer and will hence draw out more in my pension. Thus it is an excellent investment.

To soothe my troubled brow, I will be spending a few months abroad in warm climates when you poor buggers are being frozen over here.

Even the thought of doing nowt serious for the rest of my life is perking me up.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by ErikL
A great "surprising old people" story
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Ludwig, you beat me to it old bean, What an amazing old girl eh ? The youngest and oldest US Defence secretary of all time under both Bush Administrations, and being the same person, shows there are also exceptions to the rule of such aged wisdom, innit.

Cheers, Fritz Von Jay Leno For President
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by ErikL
Graham,

You can't win the presidency with bad hair and an odd chin.
Posted on: 03 January 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Ludwig, Dicky Millhouse did OK ?

Between autumn 97 through to spring 99 I worked
as a social worker (anti in some
peoples minds) looking after old people in their own homes. On average I had
about 10 regular folk to see, some twice a day, some once a week, etc. All were
German and pretty middle class, non of who'm I would say had financial worries,
though not rich as such. Being male, in contrast to 95% of my colleagues I was
quite sort after strangely enough, as well as being the unusual Engländer
amongst them all.
They averaged between 80 - 99 and were generally really nice
folk, once they trusted me etc, the War did naturally arise often. One old girl
did constantly get on my tits regarding the bombing of Dresden, but my offering
to help her write a letter to my own Grandmother (similar age) soon shut her up,
I have to point out this was a well educated Academic Widow, who's boredome and
frustration with life was generated at me, or so she thought.
Not being fully
trained in the field I had to learn fast, and was often given bribes in my
direction (of varying nature) which I refused naturally (was paid OK) and had
good mentors to ask advice upon, as they wanted to buy my favour as it were. I
did attend many funerals during this time, as well as having to talk to complete
strangers that were their families from all over (most of who'm I despised to be
honest, through their hypocracy).
General checking things out, going for walks
(with & without wheelchair) docs visit, operations, shopping. cleaning, etc,
etc, had to clean em up once or twice, which didn't disturb me, but annoyed me
for being put in that position, shitting myself being left with terminally ill
people in their beds for hours on end, while their (real loved ones) could get
at least a few hours fresh air and freedom to be themselves before cracking up,
church services were a laugh (plenty of snoring there). Give em this or that if
this and that happens,(medication) like fuck, well scarey, worse than milk
bottle alley, innit.
My best buddy Willy (born 1902 in Posnan-Poland) what a
star, Dad was a Master Bee Keeper (apierist innit ?) got plenty of hunny
regular, got shot in 1919 by a Polish geezer, hit Berlin in 1923, after his
apprenticeship, became a so called 12 year soldier, married, in the 30's became
a fireman in Berlin, right through the War (Grandad & Uncle Albert ain't got
nuffin on this guy) what stories, though very matter of fact and not conceited
in any way whatsover. I won't mention him further, but he died aged 99 2 years
back, with almost a state funeral, he was the poorest and lowest ranking (so to
speak) of all my ex-people, also the only one I cared to see after I'd left the
job for other reasons (basically stress, and no control over my colleagues,
who's actions I had to be responsible for) Catch 22, fuck em, I'm off, starngely
enough everybody understood, except my firm ?
That's enuff, I reckon, Churchill
drank good Champagne, smoked cigars, did no excercise, and hardly slept, lived
till gone 90, and won the Nobel prize for literature in the 50's, an exception
maybe, but it's all in the mind, and the will to be happy, you can be as fit as
fuck but what's the point if you're from Depressionville³, Illness is naturally
another part of the game of luck innit.

Fritz Von Gettinthathunnydownbigstyle

NB We are all different of course, and material wealth really has no bearing on
the matter, Will, Happiness, and love of making other people happy do though, or
so it seems to me ?

NBB: The Children of many of these people (my own parents age) seem younger than
me, and I'm a goat ! Confused

Kids are great, I went to school with them !!!
Posted on: 06 January 2004 by Berlin Fritz
I noticed a major theme amongst many of the people I happened to get to know during that period was the very strong desire to remain in ones own home, even when alone, often in great pain, and discomfort, but adamant that losing that independence and ending up in an old folks home is a slow cruel death sentence, especially psychologically for the more mentally active ones, irrespective of how convenient it may be for their siblings practically and financially. Lonelyness comes with that territory too, but affects all ages naturally, but is the price often that has to be paid to maintain that freedom.
Being a person as a youngster that would actually eat second helpings of our beloved school dinners, that may well have killed off many of my compatriots over the years, especially that lumpy custard, I was set at an early age to survive anything. Good health is naturally a luck thing as well as doing as much as one can using information acquired from older people along the way, many forgetting of course that they have experienced generally far more than we have, and that one is born with some semblence of intelligence, though not education (Prince Charles)comes to mind, as good a bloke as I'm sure he is? Being born to graduate from Cambridge must have been great for academic prowess ? (I digress).
So, the good old feeling of worth, and an asset to the famuily not a hindrance, in societies naturally where some worth is given to the older members & their invaluable experience. The retirement age here is likely to go up to 67 soon, and I think (job willing) most people would want to work longer, or teach the young quality skills, not short term MIckey Mouse target setting Big Discussuion crap.(Obvious innit, thanks Tom).
I draw the line at some lines of work, but judges for instance, even docs etc, should where capable be able to carry on, even in an advisory capacity. I was suprised to find recently that judges here have to retire at 65.
Anyway, I've lost my thread unsuprisingly, so I'd better stop and go and take my tablets, innit.

Fritz Von Mygrandadtoldmehewenttoschoolwithkidsoncetoo

Ps. Nature's wonderful trick with our imaginary
time is quite exquisite innit ?

N.B. "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that no ------ ooow "

Robert Allen Zimmerman, if I recall correctly ?

Wink Of course one does have to be careful bacause sometimes "Suprising old people" can Kill em !!!
Posted on: 06 January 2004 by monkfish
Hi
Bob Dylan it was indeed, from "my back pages".
Regards
Jim
Posted on: 06 January 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Cheers, Big Man.
Fritz on a lightlunch of South African "Green Cove ?" red, and some Hardeys Ozzie THunderbird to wesh it doon with, luvvlöy jubbly,
Catch yer later. F.

Piss: Oh, and boiled totties and kerrygold Paddy butter to mix it all up with my porridge
breakgfast, cos it's a wee bit nippy here at the present. innit.