olympics deprecation thread

Posted by: winkyincanada on 26 July 2012

Because it feels good to skewer the twin evils of corporate thuggery and repulsive nationalism (borderline racism and bigotry) that pretty much is the olympics, I offer this thread...

 

To kick off (get it?), here is a photo of the crowd at one of the women's soccer matches. Apart from the empty seats, it looks like some one had to quickly do the signwriting with some masking tape. I believe that they actually paid someone to come up with that font! And the Lisa BJ logo; and the mascots! Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up.

 

 

At the same match, the wrong flag was shown, causing fervently nationalistic competitors and officials to take so much "offense" that they delayed the match for an hour. Luckily, as it was women's soccer, no spectators were inconvenienced.

 

In other news, the organisers have had to refund some money to people who bought tickets to seats at the aquatic centre that didn't allow them to see anything.

 

In other news the net bill to you UK taxpayers is now estimated at $16Bn. No small change, eh?

Posted on: 02 August 2012 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

Interesting fraca in the women's badminton. Competitors were adopting a strategy designed to maximize their chances of winning (sandbagging in order to draw weaker competitors in future matches), but were disqualified because it wasn't entertaining enough. Follow the money......

. The fans and the media would simply not have tolerated these cynics going on to win meds, and the organisers and authorities knew it.

 

It was a good decision, driven by a sense of fair play. At least in this case it was nothing to do with sponsors or money.

 

Sorry Winky, you're beginning to sound a teensy bit desperate now.

No they weren't cheating. But it was poor sportsmanship as you say. But ultimately, also as you say, it was the fans and media that created the pressure to throw them out. Those watching are important because of the money.

 

In non-spectator sport and non sponsored sports, with no pressure from media or fans, would the outcome have been different? I don't know. But Olympics need the spectacle to get the money. No getting around the fact that it is a commercial enterprise, using sporting competition to fill the pockets of the privileged and the corrupt. They can't afford the debacle of this type of gamesmanship. It isn't a morals-driven decision.

It was match throwing. That, in my book, and I suspect most other people's, is cheating - and you know it, so why not stop back pedalling?

How am I back pedaling? It was match throwing, I agree. I don't have access to "your book" or to "most other people's". It is arguably semantics as to whether it is cheating, gamesmanship, poor sportsmanship or a combination of all three. I don't have access to the rule book to determine the technicality, but I completely agree that they should have been thrown out. My point is that it was pressure from commercial interests (sponsors, media and the all-important supporting public) that led to the decision, as much as it was anyone's sense of fair play. The Olympics can't afford the debacle, so they acted quickly and decisively. 

 

Besides, you don't know what I do or don't know, only what I say .

Posted on: 02 August 2012 by Bruce Woodhouse

British Cycling is surely the definition of Olympic delivery. Three track events yesterday and 4 world records (albeit with a pesky disqualification in one). dave Brailsford is surely the next knighthood.

 

I'm getting slightly irritated by the parade of British swimmers who grin and say 'oh well' after another 6th place. I want some of them to be angry, or at least to set a personal best time and genuinely be able say they did their best (even if that does not mean a medal). One big exception of course, and perhaps another to follow this evening.

 

I'm getting horribly competitive.

 

Bruce

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by Guido Fawkes

Excellent post Bruce ... 

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Frank F:

It's strange that a deliberate cycling accident was accepted and contributed to success!!

 

Home advantage??

 

FF

There must be more to that "incident" than meets the eye. If the German ringer (riding for GB) really did throw his bike down, how is that any different to the badminton fiasco?

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by winkyincanada
Add the falling boxer to the badminton fiasco and crashing cyclists and Olympic ideal of success at any cost seem alive and well.
Posted on: 03 August 2012 by Guido Fawkes

I think his quote must have been taken out of context, still as the French team admitted there was no doubt Sir Chris, Jason and Philip deserved to win the Gold medal and the Olympic Committee confirmed nothing was done that was against the rules. Nobody was deliberately trying to lose as in the Badminton fiasco. So we move on. 

 

I thought it was desperately unlucky that Victoria Pendleton and Jessica Varnish were disqualified, as surely nobody could begrudge them the Gold. However, they behaved impeccably and accepted the Olympic Committee's decision. 


There is definitely no home advantage being shown or we would have more medals. I think we deserve a few more Golds for being so well organised and so nice to everybody attending and for the best opening ceremony ever. 

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by fatcat
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:

Nobody was deliberately trying to lose as in the Badminton fiasco. So we move on. 

 

I've heard commentators, pundits and experts on the TV and radio using this argument, but I personally find it ridiculous. What happened in the Badmington and cycling where both examples of bad sportsmanship and cheating, perpetrated in a different manner.You can't justify one form of cheating because it is different to another form of cheating.

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by George Fredrik

It seems that winning in games is more important than playing the game, and this leads to what is called [rather oddly, like joyriding when considering stealing cars and driving round "for fun"] gamesmanship. Cheating or misery-riding would be more accurate, IMO ...

 

To my mind it reduces my interest to almost zero, though it was hard not to get caught up with the gentlemanly aspect of Bradley Wiggins in the Tour.

 

Sport is put on a pedestal, but in my view all too frequently does not deserve this status.

 

It is not just the Olympics, this gamesmanshipcheating thing aflicts even village cricket these days. 

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by Guido Fawkes

> Sport is put on a pedestal, but in my view all too frequently does not deserve this status.

 

Only for those who win Gold, Silver or Bronze ... the others don't get a place on the podium.


I think it does deserve its place .. not always, but on this wonderful occasion certainly. 

I've never attending a more welcoming and well organised event. 

No live event I've ever seen comes close ... not even 1966 and all that. 

 

These guys come from all over the world: mostly from humble beginnings and are achieving something special. It is activities like sport that stop youngsters growing up to be joy riders and bankers; so surely we should encourage and embrace it.  


When I was at the rowing I saw a guy from Niger come in way behind everybody else, but he got a standing ovation because he was there and because he put in a great effort. He looked delighted with his reception and it really was genuine. 

 

I think there has been fantastic sportsmanship shown in London 2012 - you'll always get a few odd incidents like the badminton fiasco, but quite rightly it was dealt with. Yes it was disappointing to lose in the beach volleyball and the football, but we gracefully accepted defeat and didn't once question the dubious calls by the officials that had prevented our progress. We don't do such things ... as Big Ron (Atkinson) once said "I never comment on a referee and I'm not going to change the habit of a life time for that prat who was in charge today". 


And at the Athletics tonight there was a great reception for everybody even though we didn't manage to get in to contention for the medals in the 10,000m.


Still well done Andy Murray ... a silver at least .. and superb performance from Victoria Pendleton ... and we are still going well in the hockey (great game that doesn't get enough coverage). 


My Dear George ... there is no gamesmanship in our village cricket .. it is played in the best possible way - he should never have stepped out of his crease when I said look there is a £5 note over there.


8 Gold 6 Silver 8 Bronze ... it's getting better all the time. 


All the best, Guy    

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by Tony2011

A bit off line  but, is Boris  starting his campaign on  his future  at number 10 by having Murdoch as special guest at the Olympic Games? Talking of dirty tricks during the olympics....

KR

Tony

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by Guido Fawkes

Boris would make a great PM ... he's got the hair for it. 


We need a PM who doesn't bore everybody by going on and on about politics and economics and I think Boris fits the bill. He is like a modern day Screaming Lord David Sutch and represents a party with similar values. 


David Sutch once suggested selling the crown jewels and throwing a massive political party with drinks and sausages on sticks ... now that's my kind of Guy. Shame his life ended so tragically. 

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by Tony2011

I think Lord Sutch would be offended by your remark. Two very different characters. One was a loony with a bad dressing sense. The other is a well brained man with loony hair. Even Letterman had a go at his barnet and Boris come up trumps.

KR

Tony

 

Posted on: 03 August 2012 by Sniper

Jessica Ennis's bum - the greatest show on earth

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by George Fredrik
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:

 


My Dear George ... there is no gamesmanship in our village cricket .. it is played in the best possible way - he should never have stepped out of his crease when I said look there is a £5 note over there.


... 


All the best, Guy    

I have a friend who was permanently disabled by the gamesmanship tactic of charging in village cricket whilst running between the wickets. Broken collar bone was the least that came from what was supposedly an accident! An accident waiting to happen the way the opposition were behaving when they looked to be going to loose. 

 

Even village cricket is afflicted I am afraid, speak as a member of the small croud watching the match. My friend has never played cricket since and he was good at batting and bowling ...

 

I have never been to a live sports event since.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by tonym

We had a fabulous day at the Olympics yesterday. As Mr Fawkes experienced, the organisation was first-class and even at the end of a wonderful evening, with a hundred-thousand or so folks leaving the Olympic Park more or less at once, everything flowed along with everyone in good humour. The food, drinks and loo facilities were super-efficient and we never needed to queue for longer than a few moments for anything.

 

The stadium is awe-inspiring and the atmosphere within electric. Deafening cheers greeted the GB competitors and all who competed were applauded for their efforts. We were up in the gods and alas I forgot to pack the binoculars so was unable to study Jess Ennis's bum as closely as I would have wished. I got a bit confused (easily done at my age) because several events were taking place at once, and I could have done without the funky music they insisted on playing (roundly told off by SWMBO for being an old scroat). I also felt the stadium's heating arrangement was rather basic. A few extra sacks of nutty slack into the big grate burning at one end might have lifted the night-time chill a bit.

 

Apart from that it was a truly memorable experience and the good feeling emanating from the crowd was just lovely.

 

Lucky old count.d who's going today!

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by Gale 401

Lucky Count is the word i would use.

Jess was amazing today and will be more amazing tonight around 8:45.

GOLD.

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by Guido Fawkes

I wish I was in the Velodrome or at Wimbledon or in the Olympic Stadium instead of which all I get to do is watch it on TV today and it was fantastic. 

 

Shame about the Hockey, but we are still in with a shout 

 

Well done Andy M & Laura Robson another Tennis medal assured

 

And our cyclists were brilliant ..... 

 

Roll on Wednesday ... can't wait to go to the Olympic Stadium 



Jess should do it tonight, but I'm not one for counting roosters before they are hatched .... 

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by tonym:

We had a fabulous day at the Olympics yesterday. As Mr Fawkes experienced, the organisation was first-class and even at the end of a wonderful evening, with a hundred-thousand or so folks leaving the Olympic Park more or less at once, everything flowed along with everyone in good humour. The food, drinks and loo facilities were super-efficient and we never needed to queue for longer than a few moments for anything.

 

The stadium is awe-inspiring and the atmosphere within electric. Deafening cheers greeted the GB competitors and all who competed were applauded for their efforts. We were up in the gods and alas I forgot to pack the binoculars so was unable to study Jess Ennis's bum as closely as I would have wished. I got a bit confused (easily done at my age) because several events were taking place at once, and I could have done without the funky music they insisted on playing (roundly told off by SWMBO for being an old scroat). I also felt the stadium's heating arrangement was rather basic. A few extra sacks of nutty slack into the big grate burning at one end might have lifted the night-time chill a bit.

 

Apart from that it was a truly memorable experience and the good feeling emanating from the crowd was just lovely.

 

Lucky old count.d who's going today!

Thanks Tony ... great to hear you had a splendid day ... I'll be there on Wednesday so am delighted to read it was so well organised ... thanks for the tip about the binoculars

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by tonym

You'll have a wonderful day Guido! A chance to witness the human race at its very, very best.

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by SKDriver

Well done Jess; you have absolutely nailed the Heptathlon.  You have made a Nation incredibly proud.

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by Gale 401

Jess is the best.

Greg Rutherford is doing something special in the long jump.

Dame JESSICA ENNIS you are Fookin Brilliant.xxxxxxx We love you.

Stu.


Posted on: 04 August 2012 by Tony2011

Well done, Jess!

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by Gale 401

Greg has just got Gold.and still has a jump to go,

What a walk through a sand pit.

Well done Greg brilliant.

Stu.

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by Tony2011

... and now, MO! WHAT A NIGHT!!!! Proud to be British!

Posted on: 04 August 2012 by SKDriver

Well done Greg - awesome.

 

Mo Farah - that was absolutely unbelieveable.  There is not a dry eye in the SKD household...