Latest nStream update

Posted by: Tog on 21 August 2012

New update out - not certain of the differences yet.

Tog
Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by murkku:
 

 

I recall Naim's Paul Stephenson hyping about Airplay in more than one media interview.

 

What HI-FI (Sep 2011):

"The new board also adds 802.11n Wi-Fi capability to the systems, in addition to the current b/g (although Naim still says wired networking is preferable in terms of stablity and reliability of signal). The new board also makes them, Stephenson says, 'AirPlay ready - at least in terms of processing power'.

Pressed for clarification, he said he expects products fitted with the new board - and of course the new ND5 XS and SuperUniti - to gain full AirPlay capability during the first quarter of next year, this being implemented via a simple firmware upgrade at that time."

 

To me statements like that and the current "denial" is definitely mixing signals.

Even if it hasn't been officially announced, I think customers have been lead to believe that the upgrade board would enable Airplay in "near" future. Or am I just being naive?

 

Cheers,

M

 

The hardware itself is capable of running AirPlay in terms of processing power - that is correct - however the implementation of AirPlay would, at this time, compromise some functionality of the product and thus we have no official announcement of any schedule as to when AirPlay would be available.

 

Phil

 

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by nudgerwilliams:
 

Just trying to put my perspective out there so Phil sees balancing opinions as well :-)

 

 

It's too late for me - save yourself!

 

Phil

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by spartacus
Originally Posted by nudgerwilliams:
My point is these hi-fi products for listening to music on.  It surprises me that some folk seem to judge the worth of based on how easy it is to update the software, rather than how good it is at playing music.  Sure it would be great if you could update on a Mac or even better directly over the net, but seems it some perspective being lost in some quarters.

 

Just trying to put my perspective out there so Phil sees balancing opinions as well :-)

Not disagreeing with you all that much but surely it's about the whole experience. From my point of view sound is priority but it seems that people with seem to be having panic attacks every time they update Naim server gear and then the worry of having to send things back to the factory. Then there is getting your dealer to do it which is fine if your dealer is conveniently located.

 

We see a lot of balancing opinions on this forum but it's difficult to listen to music if you've had to send it back to the manufacturer or take it to your dealer. This should not be required just for an update of some software.

 

For me this detracts from the pleasure of ownership and hence the worth.

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Robko
Unfortunately the decision about AirPlay is $$$ and not sound quality. I am hopeful that Naim will do the right thing and include it in the next update.
Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Slioch
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:
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Please try the "UPnP Compatibility" option on the setup screen ... this should revert operation back to how it was.

 

The new functionality departs from the UPnP specs and the nStream app becomes the control point so you may find that you do not wish to use the new functionality.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Ah - that's what that does....!

 

The only problem I had was with the menu on the IPad (v1) reverting to a 'media' rather than 'music only' listing. I suspect I would have got low resolution artwork as well, but that was all fixed by telling Twonky to use the custom profile (music only, hi-res art) for the IPad as well as the NDX.  [Previously it looked like Nstream was proxying through the NDX, where as now it seems to contact my NAS directly - hence the need for the separate setting.....  Well, that would explain it, though it may all be fantasy...]  But it saves me moving back to the previous interface....

 

As far as I can tell, playlists are saved on the idevice?  So not amenable to sharing.....?  Guess that would be a big ask.....?

 

And I definitely hear an SQ improvement, particularly at the low end.... (Whether a frequency analyzer would agree doesn't matter that much to me - I like it!)

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Tog
AirPlay - compromise functionality ? I'm not an AirPlay fan at all but everybody and their favourite Aunt have implemented AirPlay or in Linn's case provided a different/superior implementation. Expensive for Naim but I doubt that an additional £100 to the cost of the kit would be noticed by the punters - after all the price keeps going up anyway. On the subject of going back to the old model of dealer upgrades - we could do that just as Naim could build their kit out of stone. The rest of the world is getting by on Internet updates but Naim of course will do their own thing with a USB cable and a prayer. The Mac issue is probably over cooked and reflects a degree of fanboy sensitivity - really we shouldn't have to mess around worrying what firmware level we are up to ... auto update anyone? So glad I built my PlexServer using a Mac Mini to serve video goodies around the house - it reminds me when I need an update. Tog
Posted on: 22 August 2012 by spartacus

+1 Tog. Agree about Airplay and the quality issue. I use it but only for multi room music when entertaining and people will be talking over the music anyway. Not recommended for any form of serious listening at all.

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by Robko:
Unfortunately the decision about AirPlay is $$$ and not sound quality. I am hopeful that Naim will do the right thing and include it in the next update.

 

Unfortunately it's not about "$$$" ... but I can't go into it further.

 

Phil

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by rich46

so whats all the humbug about airplay surely there are more important things about control app . i dont even no anyone who streams from an apple device

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by HiFiman

Upgrading to firmware 3.16.00 on my UnitiQute, well to put it blunt was a PIG!!

 

I have upgraded from the original version if memory serves 3.00.00 to 3.09.00 and 3.13.00 over the past few months each time the new firmware was released without any issues but this time took me an hour and at one point thought the Qute was bricked!!!

 

Anyway tunes are playing now and a can of Stella at my side, please note I only opened the can of Stella after the firmware was applied and not under the influence during the firmware operation.

 

Cheers

Sean

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Frank Abela

I have to say I don't understand why the Uniti products can't detect, download and install updates from the 'net automatically, and in the absence of the 'net, directly off a USB stick. I'm sure Naim would prefer to provide the service in a better way. The examples abound - Apple, Sony PS3, even Android tablets, and they come in for all sorts of flak in this regard.

 

Oh - and can we PLEASE have an eject button in n-Stream?

 

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by KRM

I really like the it. Everything except AirPlay and Spotify, which I hadn't expected this time round.

 

I wonder if Phil can fill us in on the sonic improvements which Simon alluded to? Is it true, do they work on the SPDIF out and are they available on the older 24/96 board?

 

Keith

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by JasonJackson

Sorry for be a thicko today but I can't find the option to save a queue and hence save a playlist - could someone point me in the right direction please? 

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by HiFiman

KRM

 

I’ am using a Qute with 24/96 boards into an nDac.

I must say there is a difference for the better as describe by other members

 

Sean

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Robko
Hi Phil, I know from experience that dealing with Apple can be challenging. In order to Bring AirPlay, Naim will have to carefully examine the cost vs. benefits. AirPlay maybe not an audiophille's dream, however the convenience of the application far outweighs the SQ. For serious listening I turn to vinyl. My concern is that the Naim rep in my area has been promoting AirPlay to the dealers. I'm not sure if this was a sales pitch or they were given information that this feature will be offered. I would like to know if Naim has plans to support AirPlay. I have found most of the discussions on this topic very evasive. ( sorry for any grammatical errors as English is not my first language)
Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Tog

Eject ?

 

I get the idea that Naim stands for good ole British stubbornness - update by steam power anyone?

 

Tog

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by garyi

I bet all in all naim are delighted they got into all this.

 

Why is everyone hot under the collar for airplay? It sounds shit, truely bad.

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by DaveBk

Just reading through this it strikes me that it would be useful to have a definitive list of the functions available with and without uPnP compatablity mode turned on. For example is the restricted artwork issue caused by the need to cache images locally to facilitate sorting on the iDevice?

 

Also, I'd assumed than nStream always acted as the control point - sounds like in previous versions it controlled the Naim streamer directly and than acted as both control point and renderer?

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Kaver

Would also be nice to lift/remove the queue limit of 500 songs, I have folders with more than 500 songs in them and with the play queue I now can't choose to play or shuffle all the songs at a time.

Is the limit there since devices with low amounts of ram will have trouble handling more than 500?

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by AndyPat

And still no compatibility with my toaster!!!!

 

What is the world coming to?

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Kaver, the limit is due to the memory available on the streamer boards. That is why the 192 kbps streamer boards can hold larger playlists that the 96 kbps streamer boards - the later boards have more available memory.

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by spartacus:
Originally Posted by Tog:
It's at times like these a Mac Mini and nDac look very inviting. Tog

That's what I decided over a year ago. sounds great, software updates without a hitch and serves to play other media. it was set up in a few hours and has been playing music and movies ever since.

+1 

 

Bring on the DAC 555 .... 

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Keith - i only use the spdif out feeding the ndac on the ndx and i noticed it straightaway which is what prompted me to contact Naim to enquire what they had done.

 

 

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by KRM

Cool,

 

I still. Haven't had a chance to listen as I did the upgrade and went straight out. I think a sonic upgrade is better than AirPlay :-) 

 

Keith

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Kaver

Simon - wouldn't it be possible to only store the playlist on the apple device and thereby avoid the memory limit of the streamer