Latest nStream update

Posted by: Tog on 21 August 2012

New update out - not certain of the differences yet.

Tog
Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Hi Kaver, some third party upnp controllers do this, but if they sleep or turn off the playlist stops, and that gets quite annoying for devices like iPads etc.

The naim solution uploads the playlist to the player and is then decoupled from the controller so it can be switched off or sleep to save battery charge and the playlist still works..

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Kaver

Hi Simon - I see, would be great if at least having the possibilty to store locally or even better on the NAS or if the limit could be raised to at least a 1000 songs on 192 khz units.

Posted on: 22 August 2012 by Lebowski
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:
Originally Posted by murkku:
Originally Posted by Lebowski:

Mine is 1000x1000 but the artwork shown on the track playing now looks like a scaled up 150x150.  Double checked the uPnP control point settings and also cleared the cache in n-Stream. Was fine on 3.0 previously.

 

This is on iPad3.  Anyone else got this issue?

Same here, artwork is now horribly downscaled and looks butt-ugly.

Scrolling the already retrieved artwork in album/artist list is now sluggish, too.

Reduced resolution + slower navigation speed = NOT an improvement in my books.

 

Also, there's still no input selection/mute via System Automation for preamps.

Other settings' "Show volume control" is there but why not include one for recording/headphones too? Just take a look at Narcom and include it's rudimentary features into N-stream, like yesterday!

 

I listen to albums so the playlist support isn't a big deal for me. Too bad I can't downgrade n-Stream. And what about the vaguely promised & forgotten Airplay support... Was it just to sell 192k upgrade boards?

 

 

Setup

- NDX (192kHz upgraded) with latest 3.16 firmware.

- n-Stream 3.1 on iPad3

- Asset UPnP (no resize, image sizes between 500x500 - 1024x1024) 

 

Please try the "UPnP Compatibility" option on the setup screen ... this should revert operation back to how it was.

 

Airplay was never scheduled to be included in this update.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Now fixed.  Compatability mode is a work around but i hadn't realised that my iPad had appeared as a new UPnP device on the Twonky Media Receivers page and had been assigned a low res 'Generic Media Receiver' profile.  Setting this to the same high res control point type as the NDX was the answer without going to Compatibility Mode.

 

A FAQ on the support page would be a good idea to explain that 3.1 is fundamentally different from 3.0 and not a simple upgrade.

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by ernie
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:
Originally Posted by King Size:
I see the below as a problem too.  As someone who is thinking of moving to an nserve or nstream product this is a bit of a concern....
 
Is there a solution?  is n-serve the same?
 
Originally Posted by ernie:

just updated without any problem. However nStream now messes up with album order. I use asset upnp and prefer the album order "album by artist" for alphabetical artist order first and second by album. But nStream ignores that now. I get always the alphabetical album order only - but I don't like that with unsorted artists. I just can switch to artists, but then I can't see all album covers directly.

 

Does someone knows how to work around? I couldn't find an additional setting in asset controls.

 

 

To give an alphabetical list and the ability to jump to a letter directly we have to sort the list and hold the list locally - this obviously cannot work with a list with nested alphabetical sorting as per your "album by artist" option in Asset.

 

To get round this please select the "UPnP compatibility" option in the setup screen of nStream and it should work as it used to.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Would't it be possible to sort by artists (at a plinch with random or whatever is easiest for for sStream  kind of sorting for albums) as a alternative setting instead of albums? Isn't it just a different tag used for order criteria - artist instead of album? So alphabetical sorting and jump to should still work - for artists then or for albums, whatever the user has chosen. So maybe both would be possible without losing the new playlist functionality?

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by Frank Abela:

 

I have to say I don't understand why the Uniti products can't detect, download and install updates from the 'net automatically, and in the absence of the 'net, directly off a USB stick. I'm sure Naim would prefer to provide the service in a better way. The examples abound - Apple, Sony PS3, even Android tablets, and they come in for all sorts of flak in this regard.

 

 

 

Hi Frank,

 

As I have already stated elsewhere - there are several independent sections of hardware that we are using in the products and some of those sections have to be updated via a direct RS232 link and some can be updated via Ethernet - none can directly "phone home".

 

That's not to say that this will not be implemented on future products if appropriate however it is not possible here.

 

Phil

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by King Size
Ernie, Just picking up on your above post. There is a list app available for iOS where you can expand and contract an item in your master list with your fingers - let's say in this case the Artist List -to reveal their albums and then contract it back to the Artist List with the two finger pinch. Considering all the metadata and file structures involved this might not be easy to create in the serve or stream apps but it would be very cool and user friendly.
Posted on: 23 August 2012 by Graham Hull
Originally Posted by Lebowski:

 

Now fixed.  Compatability mode is a work around but i hadn't realised that my iPad had appeared as a new UPnP device on the Twonky Media Receivers page and had been assigned a low res 'Generic Media Receiver' profile.  Setting this to the same high res control point type as the NDX was the answer without going to Compatibility Mode.

 

A FAQ on the support page would be a good idea to explain that 3.1 is fundamentally different from 3.0 and not a simple upgrade.

Dude, which media receiver did you select in Twonky? There is a list of about 50 in my receiver list. 

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by Lebowski
Originally Posted by Graham Hull:
Dude, which media receiver did you select in Twonky? There is a list of about 50 in my receiver list. 

I use the Kinsky Desktop.  It works for both the NDX and the iPad.  Others probably could do it as well but life is too short to find out........

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by JasonJackson
Any answer ref my question on how to save a queue thereby creating a playlist?
Posted on: 23 August 2012 by Jan
Originally Posted by Lebowski:
Originally Posted by Graham Hull:
Dude, which media receiver did you select in Twonky? There is a list of about 50 in my receiver list. 

I use the Kinsky Desktop.  It works for both the NDX and the iPad.  Others probably could do it as well but life is too short to find out........

Hi both,

 

same issue but with sinology disc station. I've tried to set my ipad2 that way as well. But my Synology DSM 4.0 sets it back to the setting used before: "default" everytime a restart the app. Any ideas? Thanks. 

 

Jan

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by JasonJackson

The playlists I have created aren't stored in the playlist folder, They only appear when playing a track and swiping left to go into queues and playlists - any advice?

 

Also many of the tracks are either not available or it's playing the wrong track ie track abc is listed and is shown as being played but it's actually random track 123 being played?!?

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by osprey

Well, this whole process was not so easy to me (frankly quite painful). It took almost four hours to complete and the result was that I lost all my radio presets and there is still no cover art showing. I have skipped the previous streamer updates and I almost wonder why I bothered this time either.  

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by Iver van de Zand

Dear ForummeMbers,

 

Quick one: i I have more than 1 iPad and also iPhone. When creating a playlist on one device, it doesn't seem to appear on the other devices. Is this correct ? Are playlists stored locally and shared amongst other Apple devices. Do I need to activate a certain setting ?

 

Iver

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Iver, it appears the playlists are only supported on the device that created them. I think Naim are working on a file system storage option for them, but its not an option at present

Simon

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by Iver van de Zand

Hi Simon, thanks mate. Though I do not like the answer (:-)) it is at least clear to me know.

 

By the way: after 2 days using the latest version of nStream, I more and more appreciate it and thibk it was designed in a very intelligent way.

 

Cheers,

Iver

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by Lebowski
Originally Posted by Jan:
same issue but with sinology disc station. I've tried to set my ipad2 that way as well. But my Synology DSM 4.0 sets it back to the setting used before: "default" everytime a restart the app. Any ideas? Thanks. 

 

Jan

The only things I can think of are that you haven't clicked on the save settings button on the Media Receivers config page after changing the drop down menu selection or that your IP address for the iPad has changed.  I have Twonky 6.0.39 on a QNAP so it may not behave the same way as Twonky on a Synology, but I don't see why they should be any different.

Posted on: 23 August 2012 by VladtheImpala

I have created some simple playlists using the DS Audio app on my Synology 212j and played them back OK on my Uniti via the n-Stream app on my iPhone.

Posted on: 24 August 2012 by Frank Abela
Originally Posted by Tog:

Eject ?

 

I get the idea that Naim stands for good ole British stubbornness - update by steam power anyone?

 

Tog


D'oh! My bad - I meant n-Serve! Sorry Tog, and good spot...

 

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

Posted on: 24 August 2012 by Frank Abela
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

 

Hi Frank,

 

As I have already stated elsewhere - there are several independent sections of hardware that we are using in the products and some of those sections have to be updated via a direct RS232 link and some can be updated via Ethernet - none can directly "phone home".

 

That's not to say that this will not be implemented on future products if appropriate however it is not possible here.

 

Phil


Sorry Phil, but that doesn't wash at all. Naim simply hasn't written the software to phone home and isn't prepared to host the servers required to provide the updates, or pay for them, one or the other. Naim has written the software to phone FreeDb etc. so this communication is not outside the bounds of possibility - all these Uniti products run a fully functional OS with internet stack, installer capability etc. The process is precisely the same whether you get a PC to connect via RS232 or your own OS to do the job internally. It's completely under your control in all the Uniti products.

 

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

Posted on: 24 August 2012 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by Frank Abela:
 

Sorry Phil, but that doesn't wash at all. Naim simply hasn't written the software to phone home and isn't prepared to host the servers required to provide the updates, or pay for them, one or the other. Naim has written the software to phone FreeDb etc. so this communication is not outside the bounds of possibility - all these Uniti products run a fully functional OS with internet stack, installer capability etc. The process is precisely the same whether you get a PC to connect via RS232 or your own OS to do the job internally. It's completely under your control in all the Uniti products.

 

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

 

Hi Frank,

 

Just because we have a software product that on the servers is capable of looking up album details on the internet then that doesn't necessarily mean that a completely different hardware platform (the Uniti and ND series streamers) can update from the internet.

 

The Uniti and ND series products DO NOT run an underlying OS on the baseline hardware platform which has no access to the internet and therefore are only updateable via an RS232 or USB link.

 

Best regards

 

Phil

Posted on: 24 August 2012 by gav111n

A slight change of topic but I hope someone can shed some light:

 

I've only recently started using nStream. I was straight in, with all of the new functionality. Anyway, I was loving it until a glitch happened the other night.

 

The nStream app flagged an update dated 21st August, so I made the update on my ipad3 and now I have a problem. When viewing music to make a selection, I can view as either a vertical list or display as a sort of table. The vertical list is fine but when I view as a table (which I prefer) the motion of the graphics is awful. It’s sluggish and lags a lot behind my finger movements. It also moves in a juddery way, like the refresh rate is really low. I can’t now use the table view as it’s quite nauseating with the flickeriness. The vertical list view is absolutely fine. Both view modes were fine before this update the other night. All other moving graphics within nStream and all other apps do not have this problem.

 

Has anyone else had this or have I got something wrong somewhere?

 

Gav

Posted on: 24 August 2012 by Tog
No underlying OS - presumably Linn do - anyone know? Tog
Posted on: 24 August 2012 by Frank Abela
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

Hi Frank,

 

Just because we have a software product that on the servers is capable of looking up album details on the internet then that doesn't necessarily mean that a completely different hardware platform (the Uniti and ND series streamers) can update from the internet.

 

The Uniti and ND series products DO NOT run an underlying OS on the baseline hardware platform which has no access to the internet and therefore are only updateable via an RS232 or USB link.

 

Best regards

 

Phil


Hi Phil,

 

Thanks for the post. Hmm...must admit I had forgotten the substantially different architecture of the streamers. Thing is, Naim must recognise that the current process is simply not viable in today's world. If the Naim streamers weren't specialised items they'd be laughed out of the local Curry's. It's a testament to their performance that people will put up with the current situation. This cannot last.

 

Oh well...

 

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

Posted on: 24 August 2012 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by JasonJackson:
Any answer ref my question on how to save a queue thereby creating a playlist?

 

Go to your play queue and hit "Add to..." at the botton which will allow you to add the current play queue to an existing playlist or a new playlist which you name.

 

Phil

Posted on: 24 August 2012 by JasonJackson

Thanks Phil. I can see my playlists here but not in the playlists folder? Does that sound right? If so what's the fastest way to access a user created playlist?