NDX Setup Upnp Server?

Posted by: Tiny on 31 August 2012

Hi All,

well, this might have already been asked a couple of times.... but I found to many old posts

with different suggestions on this and need some help with the setup.

 

As a new owner of a Naim NDX 192 I have tried to find out how to setup the NDX in

my system:

Macbook

IPad

QNAp TS 419 NAS

Mcintosh Pre and Power amp.

LAN from QNap to NDX

 

I plan to use the iPad as remote with the Naim App

 

but wich Upnp software are  you using on the Qnap. 

Quality is most important as well as useabitily/comfort.


Most of my music is ripped  with XLD as .flac but I also have a lot of apple losness

files ripped with i tunes.

Any suggestions welcome.

Tiny

Posted on: 31 August 2012 by beginner

Hi tiny, asked the same question myself about 4 months ago, i'm using Yazsoft playback never had any trouble with it and work well with imac, hope that helps. paul

Posted on: 31 August 2012 by Tiny

Hi Begiiner, my local Naim dealer recommends Twonky as Upnp software but I hear (read) too much about other solutions.

What about amara,pure Music or others. I am looking for a high quality (Sound ) and userfriendly software that runs stable on a Qnap Nas

Martin

Posted on: 31 August 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Hi Tiny, there are many ways of doing this to suit budget, preference and equipment used.

I for example, run a little Windows Home Server machine tha runs the upnp/DLNA server. I use Asset. I then have two seperate NASes on my LAN that my upnp  server reads for the media.

This is then connected to the NDX elsewhere in the house by cascaded switches. My preference is to seperate NASes from upnp/DLNA server. 

The UPnP/DLNA server is a critical component in these network audio streaming applications and is largely responsible for the performace, search /index trees, transcoding, metadata provision of your music collection.( as well as source streaming the media) You want to ensure therefore you use a capable server. That's why I use Asset on it's own seperate micro server. This is a similar mentality I believe to the Naim Unitiserve with seperate NASes.

Simon

Posted on: 01 September 2012 by MangoMonkey

If it's not too late, I would get a Synology  instead of the Qnap. Much easier to use, and the standard UpnP server it comes with is great. Twonky is a pain to use, and installing other media servers on the QNAP was an extremely painful process.

Posted on: 01 September 2012 by Lebowski

Hi Tiny

 

I am using Twonky on a QNAP TS109II. I have disabled the bundled one and used a later version installed as a QPKG (v 6.0.39 although v 7.something is out now but I am happy with what I have got).

 

I have an NDX with 192 and the quality is just fine. Twonky streams a 192 sample file wih no probs and is fine wih 96/24 and 44/24 High Definition streaming.  I can clearly hear differences between Apple Lossless and WAV files at 96/24 but I believe this has more to do with the NDX than the UPnP stream.

 

The selection of the media receiver (=UPnP Control Point) in Twonky is important...I use the Kinsky Desktop which is stable, compatible and gives high res artwork on my iPad3. If you are using the latest nStream 3.1 then you will need to apply this setting for both the NDX and the iPad on the Media receivers screen. If using an earlier version of nStream or running in Compatibility mode then you only need to set this for the NDX. If you don't do anything then Twonky will assign a Generic Media Receiver profile which will give you low res album art.

 

 

Twonky cannot handle AIFF tagging at all and supports the bare minimum of WAV tags. On all other formats, such as the ones you are using then it is fine.

 

Hope this helps

 

Peter

 

Edited to add that I have just seen Simon's reply and it is the ideal approach. It just depends on how many boxes you want running. I have followed his advice and connected NAS and NDX via a switch.

Posted on: 01 September 2012 by Tog

Don't bother using the Macbook unless you intend to connect directly.

 

Agree with Simon, use dedicated server running either Asset (Windows) or in my case Vortexbox (Linux). Asset is very powerful and if you can get hold of a HP microServer very cost effective. Vortexbox allows you to stream to iTunes as well and has a range of optional programs that can manage your files, artwork and tagging. Its easy to control via a web interface and you can if you like buy preconfigured servers. Any intel based PC will run Vortexbox so you could have some fun and build your own. If you wish to buy you can get 8TB configurations but if you are only streaming flac unless you have a huge library that would be overkill.

 

Tog

Posted on: 01 September 2012 by Tiny

Thanks for the replies but 

is anybody running a NDX with QNap Nas in a Mac Network???

tiny

Posted on: 01 September 2012 by MangoMonkey

why should it matter if it's a Mac Network? The QNap runs Linux and is connected to the router and so is your streamer... whether or not you have a mac should be moot, no?

Posted on: 01 September 2012 by Tiny

MangoMonkey:

 

I was thinking exactly about the same. Thus it does not matter if you use Mac or windows. Right?

Thus I still have to find out regarding the  Upnp Software running on the NAS

Posted on: 01 September 2012 by Tiny
Originally Posted by Tiny:

MangoMonkey:

 

I was thinking exactly about the same. Thus it does not matter if you use Mac or windows. Right?

Thus I still have to find out regarding the  Upnp Software running on the NAS

Any suggestions?

Posted on: 01 September 2012 by Lebowski

Tiny

 

Unless you are a competent Linux programmer then you don't really have a choice with QNAP - it is Twonky built in or Twonky QPKG.  You could run PS3 Media Server or Squeezebox Server but this has no interest when your front end is the NDX.

 

If you are after quality then you can do things to optimise your network between NAS and NDX but this has nothing to do with UPnP software.  In general the differences between UPnP Servers come down to functionality rather than quality.  I would suggest that you stick with what you have now and see if you want more functionality before attempting to put some other software on the QNAP, which is an excellent device by the way.

 

Unlike Apple OS or Windows, the QNAP software suite is a very thin layer and if you depart from their pre-formatted QPKG options then you need a whole different level of programming skill to work with the thing. I have had mine for 5 years now and every time I have tried to go into native Linux I have lost days/weeks for no real gain.