Do you realise you don't own your downloaded music.

> Or does it matter, if ultimately your collection is only of real interest to you and will disappear into the ether when you are gone. 

I'm taking mine with me ... 

My older two, not kids any more 26 and 30 both want my vinyl and CD collection when i pop my cloggs.

They have never mentioned my hard drives.

I have left my collection to a good friend to keep for my now 7 soon to be 8 year old.

That way it stay's intact as a whole for future years.

Stu.

I’m going to hold all my wealth and belongings in a time vault,

and will and testament them to my next reincarnation...

for the time when i’m all grown up again

Debs

Even with an LP you do not actually own the musical performance contained till the copyright runs out. Up to that time you are not legally allowed to do many things with it, such as play it in public place etc.

ATB from George

In the same way that Warner Brothers, Sony, Atlantic, et al, don't come to your house and collect your records and CDs when you die, so should it be with downloads.  But without having read any details, this lawsuit sounds like another log on my "Apple is a douche bag company" fire. 

What do you expect from an outfit whose late founder called stockholder dividends "bribes".

However, I was able today to finally remove the stinking DRM from my pre-2009 iTunes Store downloads (only 26 of them) and make it so my SBT could actually see them...finally.  Took a while and a bit of swearing, but I am glad I go that taken care of.

Couldn't Bruce Willis afford to buy copies for his children ... he must have some money left from all those dreary films he made. I think it has become fashionable to have a go at Apple and no doubt Bruce's agent saw it as good publicity with his career flagging ,,, still Bruce will have to play it straight as there is no way he can put on a good act. 

Bring back Peter Lorre now he could act ....  

Why doesn't he make backup copies to be stored at different locations ?

 For me, the handling of the CD or LP is an important part of the enjoyment of the music that I do not want to be without. Being able to watch the LP or CD cover art i.r.l. while playing the LP or CD makes the experience much more real.

Simply because that's the way the music is made. An LP or CD as the musicians worked with, prepare and record.

To skip around and listen a bit there and a little there, or create playlists appeal not at all. And why should everything be so easy and fast these days? What is the charm of that?

/Elsa

This post is like a breath of fresh air to me!

You've just made my day.

Thanks! and fun that there are others who think the same!

> And why should everything be so easy and fast these days?What is the charm of that?

With some streaming solution it is far from easy or fast ... anybody seen the USB to RS232 convertor? Sticking a cassette in the slot was much easier. Never could find the start of the track though. 

Yes, there are a  surprising 'lot of us' !!

Elsa, we love you

Hello Elsa,

I agree with you 110 %

Who wants their hard earned and carefully collected music 'streamed'? I want to handle and enjoy what I have collected. I like to read LP covers and perhaps remember when and where I bought that particular LP. It can conjure up memories good or bad of a mis-spent youth! I have now retired and have lots of time to play my black plastic. I can't imagine my Pink Floyd-Beatles collections on any other format than vinyl.

Tony.

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I don't really care what technology is used to make the speakers vibrate as long as they vibrate and vibrate properly!  I, too, used to like opening a double album cover and lust over the prose and images contained therein (see the inside of the original 1969 Harvest Pink Floyd Ummagumma LP cover).  However, I find I barely have the time to listen to music nowadays, let alone paw the source wrapping!

Oh, and as far as I am concerned, Sony,  I own that digital content I paid you for and will do as I damn well please with it!

Hi Elsa, I agree to certain extent.. I love to look at album art and artist info whilst 

listening.. I do finf the latest streaming UI vastly improved, and I love reading the notes and background on an album and artist through Nstream now. Not quite as good as as a lush richly packed album sleeve, but better than many basic album sleeves a lot of the rime.

As far as playlists, it's an option that us there. I wouldn't use it to listen to an Album like the Wall or Shostakovitches Second Piano Concerto, but I have many albums that are collections of tracks each distinct intheir own way  from various archives and sources and creating playlists adds to the pleasure of listening to music. I also love how popular music evolves through genre and influence, and making a playlist is a bit like editing your own tape compilation, charting the progress such as Blue Grass-> Rock and Roll -> Beatles -> psychedelic rock -> heavy rock -> heavy metal , or  Blues -> R & B ->hip hop-> electro-> garage etc. There are countless paths many diverging and converging, and creating a playlist allows me to navigate a path through. Fantastic stuff. For me the playlist is a feature for the creative part in you...

Simon

I wonder how many streamers actually go to live concerts ?

I mean, obtaining the tickets, getting dressed up, travelling to the concert hall, finding your seat etc. are all just an absolute nuisance and not very 'convenient'.

Add to that, the performers won't allow you to decide what pieces, and in what order, they should play for you. A terrible experience.

Just to speak up for the streamers - yes I do go to concerts - very often and have travelled over 200 miles to see a particular one. Also still occasionally go to festivals (live quite near Glastonbury) so it's not all about convenience!

But... I will never own another cd player - good riddance to a rubbish format. Streaming is just so much better in every way. You don't have to use all the features such as playlists - I nearly always play whole albums. I do still have vinyl and probably always will as I love the sound and the experience but CDs are useless - you can't even skin up on them!

/Elsa ;- ))

Hello Tony,

I Understand exactly what you mean.

good greetings/Elsa

I don't understand how it is that if I buy an Album I don't own it. Someone please explain

It is a legal "oddity".

Nearly all commercially available music and films are protected by the law of copyright. This means that whatever format music or films are purchased on, the actual music or film contained within that format, be it a vinyl disc, CD, DVD or computer file, remains the property of the copyright holder. Legally you have not purchased it, since to do so you would need to purchase the copyright. You have only purchased a "carrier" that contains the music/film. When a composer writes a piece of music that is published by a record company then the record company has usually purchased the rights to the music from the composer. In other words the record company has bought the music from the composer and it is now their property. So even the composer has no rights to his/her own music. For instance if they made a CD of it and sold it to people then they would be breaking the law, even though they wrote it themselves! Such is the law.

Peter  

Does this have an impact on the selling of Vinyl on the secondhand market.

Simple answer is: You are free to sell/donate a physical copy of music. (ie: LP/CD).

You are not free to sell/donate a carrier (ie: iPod/NAS) that contains said music without infringing copyright if it has been ripped. If that content has been downloaded directly then it is legal.

Baffling, I know. Daft, undoubtedly. Enforceable, unlikely.

But the used market in music is one reason why the major labels are now so keen to embrace streaming content like Spotify. No-one owns a physical copy and they get to charge per listen.

Semantics -- you own the album, but you don't own all rights to do whatever you want with the music on it, such as starting a radio station and broadcasting the music on that album, or making a movie and putting the music on the album in the soundtrack.

It makes sense -- for the small price of the album itself, the publisher of the music cannot have intended to sell you the ability to do the things I mentioned above.  Where to "draw the line" when it comes to making copies of the music, and what you do with those copies, get's tricky and sometimes not as intuitive as the "you can't put the music in a movie you then show in theaters" matter.

If not for convenience, then why is it better ?