Beatles Remastered Vinyl

Posted by: matt podniesinski on 20 September 2012

I just received an e-mail alleging that the vinyl is finally arriving. Anybody else seen similar announcements?

 

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-1...aign=soundbytes&

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by mrclick

Yes, Juno are sound as a pound.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by BigH47

Listen to your selves £266 is something of a bargain??????????

 

Just how many times do you need to buy the same music?

 

Industry + lots , buyers - several million. Some of the people all of the time?

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by osprey
Originally Posted by BigH47:

Listen to your selves £266 is something of a bargain??????????

 

Just how many times do you need to buy the same music?

 

Industry + lots , buyers - several million. Some of the people all of the time?

 

I have now bought only three times. I sure hope I do not have to do it again anytime soon though. I have to resist the mono box. 

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Quad 33
Originally Posted by Paul@HiFi Lounge:

Someone just put me onto Juno Records, never used them myself but they are doing the Box Set for £266 which seems like a bargain, I'm amazed it is being discounted to be honest, I wouldn't have thought being that it is limited numbers there would have been no need to discount, anyone used Juno before?

 

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/472931-01.htm

Hi Paul.

 

Just checked the juno link currently on at £298.99p

 

Graham.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Steve J

Paul,

 

You also have to pay postage. Try What Records £275 +£8 postage or Amazon £299 free P&P.

 

ATB

 

Steve

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Steve J
Originally Posted by BigH47:

Listen to your selves £266 is something of a bargain??????????

 

Just how many times do you need to buy the same music?

 

Industry + lots , buyers - several million. Some of the people all of the time?

I get your point Howard but with everything Beatles related most want the best reproduction possible and over the years we're not likely to lose out as these sets are likely to increase in value. It actually works out at an average of £20 per album (and that includes 2 double albums) + the book. That's pretty good value when compared to some reissues eg Jethro Tull.

 

ATB

 

Steve

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Jasonf
Originally Posted by BigH47:

       

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Listen to your selves £266 is something of a bargain??????????

 

Just how many times do you need to buy the same music?

 

Industry + lots , buyers - several million. Some of the people all of the time?




Lol, I think I am with Big H on this one.

More on "how many times to you need to buy the same music"......

It would drive me nuts looking through my record collection only to see that I have spent neon 500 pounds on the same set of music from the same group.

But if it goes up in value then......... it makes more sense.

Cheers.
Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Big Al
Originally Posted by naim_nymph:

The Packaging...

 

The box-set is in a cardboard box, which is placed inside a close fitting cardboard box that has polyfoam spacers to hold it safely in the middle of an even stronger outer-box [with the red Fragile sticker on]...

 

 

...and then Amazon put this in one of their boxes with paper.

 

Could have a game of pass the pacel?

 

Debs

Hopefully, it was not left on your front doorstep by their "couriers" Yodel, who left a package with about £70.00 worth of books in it in my porch. Sadly, I don't have a sweeping, curved driveway leading up to the mansion, so I was amazed it had not been "borrowed" by a passer-by

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Big Al:
Originally Posted by naim_nymph:

The Packaging...

 

The box-set is in a cardboard box, which is placed inside a close fitting cardboard box that has polyfoam spacers to hold it safely in the middle of an even stronger outer-box [with the red Fragile sticker on]...

 

 

...and then Amazon put this in one of their boxes with paper.

 

Could have a game of pass the pacel?

 

Debs

Hopefully, it was not left on your front doorstep by their "couriers" Yodel, who left a package with about £70.00 worth of books in it in my porch. Sadly, I don't have a sweeping, curved driveway leading up to the mansion, so I was amazed it had not been "borrowed" by a passer-by

Al

 

The same firm left my Can "Lost Tapes" box set package in our bin store... normally this would have been fine - it has doors, is dry and nobody ever looks in there. Unfortunately they happened to leave it in the bin store the same day as the dustman collect the rubbish, and it was carted away to be incinerated. Fortunately Amazon provided me with a replacement FOC as soon as I got in contact with them.

 

Personally I wish they'd use the Royal Mail - at least then you can go to the local sorting office to pick up your parcel, rather than some godforsaken industrial estate in the middle of nowhere that's impossible to get to without a car.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by joerand
Originally Posted by Jasonf:
Originally Posted by BigH47:
 
Just how many times do you need to buy the same music?

Industry + lots , buyers - several million. Some of the people all of the time?

But if it goes up in value then......... it makes more sense.

How many times? For me it will be seven for Abbey Road; original vinyl, MFSL vinyl, a long-gone eight track tape, a cassette for the car, original CD, remaster CD, and soon remaster vinyl. For many of the other albums it’s six: domestic vinyl, import vinyl, original CD, remastered CDs in stereo and mono, and soon remastered vinyl.

 

I reckon I have well over one hundred Beatles albums now, between the various formats. Plus several bootlegs.  Still, I continue to buy and doubt I’ll ever regret it. I’m not worried about their future value because I don’t intend to ever sell them.  

 

And then there’s the mono remasters on vinyl looming in the future. I wonder if they’ll upgrade the Anthology series???  It's all pretty good marketing for a band that hasn't been in the recording studio for over 40 years.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Guido Fawkes

> And then there’s the mono remasters on vinyl looming in the future. 

 

Excellent ... wonder when we'll get those. 

 

I think they should reissue all the singles in a box. 

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Big Al
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by Big Al:
Originally Posted by naim_nymph:

The Packaging...

 

The box-set is in a cardboard box, which is placed inside a close fitting cardboard box that has polyfoam spacers to hold it safely in the middle of an even stronger outer-box [with the red Fragile sticker on]...

 

 

...and then Amazon put this in one of their boxes with paper.

 

Could have a game of pass the pacel?

 

Debs

Hopefully, it was not left on your front doorstep by their "couriers" Yodel, who left a package with about £70.00 worth of books in it in my porch. Sadly, I don't have a sweeping, curved driveway leading up to the mansion, so I was amazed it had not been "borrowed" by a passer-by

Al

 

The same firm left my Can "Lost Tapes" box set package in our bin store... normally this would have been fine - it has doors, is dry and nobody ever looks in there. Unfortunately they happened to leave it in the bin store the same day as the dustman collect the rubbish, and it was carted away to be incinerated. Fortunately Amazon provided me with a replacement FOC as soon as I got in contact with them.

 

Personally I wish they'd use the Royal Mail - at least then you can go to the local sorting office to pick up your parcel, rather than some godforsaken industrial estate in the middle of nowhere that's impossible to get to without a car.

Kevin

 

They do use Royal Mail,but only for small packages, it seems. I  complained to Amazon, even thoiugh I did not have my package of books trousered by someone waliking by the house.

 

My neighbours have a sideway to their house, and found one of their deliveries in the sideway, it having been lobbed over the wooden gate. In both instances, no card etc had been left to notify either of us that a parcel had been delivered.

 

I told Amazon that henceforth I would only be ordering stuff if I was sure it would be delivered by Royal Mail:the response was that they would take up the matter with Yodel, but that they did not have any control over the method/means of delivery (?)

 

I suspect that Yodel are cheaper than the RM: I ordered the vinyl Minimum Maximum by Kraftwerk a few years back and collected it from my local GPO depot which is 15 minutes walk away: I guess they are saving ££ by using crap couriers. In fututre, I will split orders, even if it means ordering things on successive days, so that it/they can fit through my bloody letterbox.

 

The Royal Mail are much better than courier companies!

 

Al


 

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by CEverett

Chicago Tribune article on Beatles vinyl versions:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...,7626293,full.column

 

Personally I don't have much of a stake in this discussion, but I thought I'd share this with those who do.

 

Take care,

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Steve J
Originally Posted by CEverett:

Chicago Tribune article on Beatles vinyl versions:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...,7626293,full.column

 

Personally I don't have much of a stake in this discussion, but I thought I'd share this with those who do.

 

Take care,

I can't believe they used the 1979 box set as a reference to 'old' pressings so, to me, this comparison is not that useful. Surely someone had some 1st or early presses to compare the new with? 

 

Steve

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by joerand

Can anyone who saw/read the Tribune article please summarize?  I can't get to that link, it keeps asking for a digital access code.

I can't believe they used the 1979 box set as a reference to 'old' pressings so, to me, this comparison is not that useful. Surely someone had some 1st or early presses to compare the new with?
Steve

Steve,
I wouldn't expect original pressings to stand much of a chance vs the new heavy vinyl.  Actually, a comparison of the remastered vinyl to remastered CDs would be interesting.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Reynolds
There is a Beatles Vinyl thread on the Steve Hoffman Forum & one of the EMI Engineers that did the remastering is quoted as saying that the Beatles Remastered Vinyl is actually based on the 24 bit/44.1K files and not the 24/96K files EMI claim were used. Apparently the Digital files were converted to Analogue via a Benchmark DAC1 to stamp the vinyl with. If this is true then that is disappointing news to say the least.
Posted on: 14 November 2012 by mutterback

Now $319 on Amazon + tax

 

Analog Planet has a recorded interview with the mastering engineer. from what I can hear of the call, they used a Prism DAC.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by mutterback
Originally Posted by joerand:
Originally Posted by Reynolds:
Supposedly the UK copies are pressed in Europe with better QC than the US pressings. Looking forward to the Box arriving. Cheers

Thanks for that report, Reynolds.  I was wondering about that same quality issue.  I remember from my youth that import vinyl always sounded better than the stuff put out here by Capitol.  I've held off ordering to hear what people in the US think.  The European box set is definitely more expensive, but might be worth the additional cost.  

 

It would be nice to know for sure where the sets are pressed.

 

 

 

US Pressings are from Rainbow.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by joerand

I found that interview with Sean Magee  http://www.analogplanet.com/co...ering-beatles-lp-box

It's a 20-min long MP3 that I don't have time to listen to now.  Yes, the masters were reduced to 24 bit/44.1.  I will give it a listen tomorrow.

From this link http://www.analogplanet.com/content/abbey-roadblock reviewer Michael Fermer states of the box set "What about pressing quality? Well so far I can't say it's up to the high standards of RTI, Pallas or QRP. I haven't gotten my hands on the European edition pressed at Optimal in Germany but I suspect that is better than these records pressed by Rainbo."


It's only speculation regarding the quality of the US pressing at this point, but interesting.  It would be consistent with my findings from many years ago.  Those who care should post comments at that last link encouraging Michael Fermer to compare the pressings. 

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Steve J
Originally Posted by joerand:

Can anyone who saw/read the Tribune article please summarize?  I can't get to that link, it keeps asking for a digital access code.

I can't believe they used the 1979 box set as a reference to 'old' pressings so, to me, this comparison is not that useful. Surely someone had some 1st or early presses to compare the new with?
Steve

Steve,
I wouldn't expect original pressings to stand much of a chance vs the new heavy vinyl.  Actually, a comparison of the remastered vinyl to remastered CDs would be interesting.

Joe,

 

You obviously haven't heard a 1st pressing. They would be the gold standard against which the new reissues should be compared.

 

ATB

 

Steve

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by joerand
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by joerand:

Can anyone who saw/read the Tribune article please summarize?  I can't get to that link, it keeps asking for a digital access code.
I can't believe they used the 1979 box set as a reference to 'old' pressings so, to me, this comparison is not that useful. Surely someone had some 1st or early presses to compare the new with?
Steve
Steve,
I wouldn't expect original pressings to stand much of a chance vs the new heavy vinyl.  Actually, a comparison of the remastered vinyl to remastered CDs would be interesting.

Joe,

You obviously haven't heard a 1st pressing. They would be the gold standard against which the new reissues should be compared.

ATB

 

Steve

Steve, 

 

You are correct.  To my knowledge I've never heard a first pressing Beatles LP.  I'm just now about to get back into vinyl after a 26 year hiatus.  My thought here was that age and use of original LPs would result in reduced quality of playback versus the newer pressings.  Maybe not the case?  Additionally, my earlier listening was always done on far lesser quality gear than I now have.

 

My desire to compare the CD to vinyl remasters would be to see if the vinyl medium could cure the digital chill, as I put it prior.  In this case, does the fact that original master tapes are digitally restored and then applied to  vinyl result in a satisfactory vinyl experience?  If not, why not just listen to my fore-bought CD remasters?  I'm thinking now that going with the single LP trail approach before committing to the box set might be a good idea, though I would miss not having the accompanying box set book   .

Posted on: 15 November 2012 by osprey
Originally Posted by joerand:

Can anyone who saw/read the Tribune article please summarize?  I can't get to that link, it keeps asking for a digital access code.

 

Here is the closing paragraph of that article:

 

5:07 p.m. CSTNovember 12, 2012


...


So the new albums fared best, and on my far more modest home stereo system, I spun some of the albums we hadn't test-driven, such as "A Hard Day's Night" and "Help!" and they sounded excellent as well (standout: "And I Love Her"), though the White Album still had that strangely muffled quality.

 

Although Buskin tended to prefer the new ones, he was frustrated by the inconsistency. "What is unsatisfying about it if you invest the money, you're still not assured of getting the definitive versions across the board," he said.

 

But Shanoff felt that all of our nit-picking missed the larger point: The Beatles albums were available again on vinyl, and the fact that so much more care was put into these reissues than the commonly available reissues of earlier years was just icing on the cake.

 

"I'm of the belief it's a good thing to have Beatles albums back in print," he said, "whether they're $12.95 or $24.95."

 

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Posted on: 15 November 2012 by Thorsten_L
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by joerand:

Can anyone who saw/read the Tribune article please summarize?  I can't get to that link, it keeps asking for a digital access code.

I can't believe they used the 1979 box set as a reference to 'old' pressings so, to me, this comparison is not that useful. Surely someone had some 1st or early presses to compare the new with?
Steve

Steve,
I wouldn't expect original pressings to stand much of a chance vs the new heavy vinyl.  Actually, a comparison of the remastered vinyl to remastered CDs would be interesting.

Joe,

 

You obviously haven't heard a 1st pressing. They would be the gold standard against which the new reissues should be compared.

 

ATB

 

Steve

I have a German 1st of "Rubber Soul" and the more I hear the new one, the more it blows away the German 1st.

 

Same with Abbey Road.

 

Really, I couldn´t care less about all this "digital-this-analoque-that"-source-blablabla...

 

For 27€, the records I bought sound absolutely fantastic and NOT the least "digital".

Posted on: 15 November 2012 by Steve J
Originally Posted by MusicLover:
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by joerand:

Can anyone who saw/read the Tribune article please summarize?  I can't get to that link, it keeps asking for a digital access code.

I can't believe they used the 1979 box set as a reference to 'old' pressings so, to me, this comparison is not that useful. Surely someone had some 1st or early presses to compare the new with?
Steve

Steve,
I wouldn't expect original pressings to stand much of a chance vs the new heavy vinyl.  Actually, a comparison of the remastered vinyl to remastered CDs would be interesting.

Joe,

 

You obviously haven't heard a 1st pressing. They would be the gold standard against which the new reissues should be compared.

 

ATB

 

Steve

I have a German 1st of "Rubber Soul" and the more I hear the new one, the more it blows away the German 1st.

 

Same with Abbey Road.

 

Really, I couldn´t care less about all this "digital-this-analoque-that"-source-blablabla...

 

For 27€, the records I bought sound absolutely fantastic and NOT the least "digital".

Musiclover,

 

We'll have to see. I have many of the UK 1st presses in good nick and they sound awesome. I'm delighted to hear you're delighted with the SQ. If they're close in SQ to the 1st presses I'll be happy, if they're better I'll be deliriously happy! I'm reserving judgement.

 

Steve

Posted on: 15 November 2012 by Quad 33

The Box has got the thumbs up on the “”Scottish” forum. Mudcrutch   in particularly likes them big style.

 

Graham.