A typical day at the "office"

Posted by: Don Atkinson on 12 November 2012

Retired ?, redundant ?, gainfully employed ? ......? boring, exciting, routine, varied........

 

Anyone feel like outlining their typical day ?

 

cheers

 

Don

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Cbr600
Originally Posted by naim_nymph:

My job is night-shift with the white star line, my duties starts in early evening waking up with cold salt water in my cabin, seems to get higher everyday and now it takes spending a few hours bailing it out the port hole with a bucket.

Then, after breakfast, i carry out my skilled job as deck chair re-arranger, they look much better after I’ve finished. Later in the night I get my turn to go up to the crows nest, but it's too misty to see far, especially far out on the horizon where our only life boat is being rowed further and further away with the captain and his brave board member officers club together with a load of gold bullion which they say they need as ballast. They also said they have gone to get help for the collision we had with a large floatation, but they should have been back by now.

Tomorrow I’m hoping to get a job towards the stern which is the dryer end. The waves are lapping over the bow which has started to dip below the waterline.

But we always have great music while we work, the band plays on...

LOL

 

maybe you should take up art and start sketching a lady with a nice necklace !

 

paul

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Mike-B

Love reading some of the real office stuff - ahhh those were the days  ....... up at 04:00 to catch the 06:00 to Brussels or Prague or wherever .......... leaving Sunday lunchtime for a 1 day meeting in US or Dubai or Bangalore ........... watching the last flight to London push back & you not on it.

 

But then the good times ......... the 1st Class upgrade(s) especially when the president & his staff were in business .......... the winters in warmer climes making global conference calls from a hot sunny pool or balcony with suitable G&T coolers

 

One of the best was a conference call with US China & Europe when I was setting up an African dealer meeting (in a private game reserve - as you do  - but approved for a city hotel) in SA.  

The cell signal was not that good in the lodge & I was advised to drive a few miles over to a hill & pick up the strong signal from the public rest camp in Kruger NP.

During the call a group of eli's had been slowly munching there way towards me until I was more or less surrounded.  Some of the youngsters started to play & then to mock charge me (quite normal) accompanied by a eli trumpet duet !!!  

Wa'da'hell was that said el presidenti, it sounded like a car horn said china, my office knew where I was & agreed with me it must have been some on-line interference. As I was the only one using a cell I volunteered to go to mute from that point on.            

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Cbr600
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by rodwsmith:
 

Isn't the Larium the likely cause of at least some of the symptoms? It's so known for causing panic attacks and anxiety that I was well warned off it (Malarone is the preferred alternative I believe). Codeine is an opiate so no wonder you felt a bit of a come down. 

 

Thanks Rod,  Don & Cbr600

 

Today is the 1st day in 1.5 weeks I have got up & felt OK, but still did not get 8 hours of joined up sleep. 

 

Rod,  I have used larium quite a number of times without any side effects.

I needed to take it for 9 weeks to cover 4 weeks in East Africa & had no problems until I started reducing the codeine after the op. Keep in mind I had done this before with the other knee & had received instruction/training again on the reduction process from the hospital 

The doc said my symptoms where classic opiate withdrawal & maybe the larium might be adding to the problem.   But your tip on Malarone is duly noted & is on the list for the next trip.  

 

Cbr,  the uni-compartmental (half) knee is a cake walk compared to a full knee or (worse) hip.  

OK at 2.5 weeks out it's stiff, its at (f###) ouch level painful to move quickly, but its now almost slowly  locking out straight & past 90 degree bend (target is 120 degree at 6 weeks)

Slowly slowly is not the way,  this needs exercise & push the pain but not over do it.  

maybe your a golfer?

 

get the swing going again (and that will be painful with the knee twists)

 

paul

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Cbr600
Originally Posted by chimp:

I get up at 5.15 am, have brekkies then an hour drive to work for 7 am, spend all day in a plastic injection mouldshop and leave at 3 pm for a one and a half hour journey home. My job is stressful as I am the senior engineer responsible for about 20 people over 3 shifts. There are deadlines to meet, efficiency calculations, new tool trials, new plastic trials, liasing with tool makers, troubleshooting and a regular staff turn over which adds staff training on a regular basis. Just recently I had an accident where molten plastic in the temperature range of 350 degrees celcius exploded over my left hand, it was caused by poor maintenance/ repair. I had two weeks off and a chance to re-evaluate my life. I am now going to college in the evenings studying woodworking (which I have always enjoyed) with the aim of seeking work in a University as part of the maintenance team, it will be less pay but better working conditions. I then want to study music production and may end up doing voluntary work for a small radio station to gain experience( this is a dream at the moment) but first things first to get out of plastics for ever.

i hope your not making stuff for ann summers?

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Cbr600
Originally Posted by Mike-B:

Love reading some of the real office stuff - ahhh those were the days  ....... up at 04:00 to catch the 06:00 to Brussels or Prague or wherever .......... leaving Sunday lunchtime for a 1 day meeting in US or Dubai or Bangalore ........... watching the last flight to London push back & you not on it.

 

But then the good times ......... the 1st Class upgrade(s) especially when the president & his staff were in business .......... the winters in warmer climes making global conference calls from a hot sunny pool or balcony with suitable G&T coolers

 

One of the best was a conference call with US China & Europe when I was setting up an African dealer meeting (in a private game reserve - as you do  - but approved for a city hotel) in SA.  

The cell signal was not that good in the lodge & I was advised to drive a few miles over to a hill & pick up the strong signal from the public rest camp in Kruger NP.

During the call a group of eli's had been slowly munching there way towards me until I was more or less surrounded.  Some of the youngsters started to play & then to mock charge me (quite normal) accompanied by a eli trumpet duet !!!  

Wa'da'hell was that said el presidenti, it sounded like a car horn said china, my office knew where I was & agreed with me it must have been some on-line interference. As I was the only one using a cell I volunteered to go to mute from that point on.            

must have been a truck call !!!

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by chimp

Hi Cbr600

I wish, although I knew a guy who did (not necessarily for Anne Summers though) and when he told girls what he made they suddenly became strangely fascinated by him

 

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by mista h
Still 182K in debt.....Jesus. Suggest you do a runner. Dont tell a soul,pop over to good old Great Britain PLC,go bankrupt,have a year of grief and your debt will be gone. In the meantime you tell our MPs you are going on the good old rock n roll and you want money for somewhere to live + money to live + money for a car +money to have a good time. Then in 2 years you go back home with a clean slate and start a new life.
WHY you may ask,well thousands here do it already so one more wont be a problem.
 
Mista H
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

Yikes DrMark,

 

Presumably after 30 odd years that student loan is but a faint memory and that new job you are seeking looks more like a well-earned retirement than another strain of the rat-race.

 

Or perhaps underneath, despite the daily stress, you really do recognise the valued member of society you undoubtable are (a pharmacist ?) and wouldn't really change your vocation for anything else, least of all, retirement ?

 

Cheers

 

Don

No Don - I only recently changed careers and graduated in 2011 (I was, as the politically correct term goes, a "non-traditional student"; translation; middle aged fart who is stupid enough to go back to school) - so I am still at this moment $182K in debt!  But a different position with more reasonable hours, commute, & stress level (and, dare I say it, a chance to occasionally sit and a lunch?!?!?!) with lower pay is OK by me; for me quality of life trumps pay any day. 

 

The 5-10% of my job that is actually helping people is fine, even enjoyable, except that it is literally only about 5-10%, and doing it invariably puts you behind on your assembly line duties.

 

Pharmacy is not what I thought it would be; you are only judged by how much product you can pump out; I never dreamed it was be so non-clinical as it is, and that is across the board in retail; CVS, Walgreens, Rite-Aid, K-Mart, etc., and I am willing to bet that Boot's the Chemist is the same schtick as well.

 

Korporate Amerika at its finest, with MBAs who know nothing about pharmacy trying to run one off a bloody spreadsheet.

 

Oh well, live & learn...and do the best you can! 

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by GraemeH

Four well-dressed men sitting together at a vacation resort.

Michael Palin: Ahh.. Very passable, this, very passable.

Graham Chapman: Nothing like a good glass of Chateau de Chassilier wine, ay Gessiah?

Terry Gilliam: You're right there Obediah.

Eric Idle: Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?

MP: Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

GC: A cup ' COLD tea.

EI: Without milk or sugar.

TG: OR tea!

MP: In a filthy, cracked cup.

EI: We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

GC: The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

TG: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.

MP: Aye. BECAUSE we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness."

EI: 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with greaaaaat big holes in the roof.

GC: House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!

TG: You were lucky to have a ROOM! *We* used to have to live in a corridor!

MP: Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph.

EI: Well when I say "house" it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpolin, but it was a house to US.

GC: We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake!

TG: You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.

MP: Cardboard box?

TG: Aye.

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TG: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

ALL: Nope, nope..

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Cbr600
Originally Posted by Cbr600:
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Love reading some of the real office stuff - ahhh those were the days  ....... up at 04:00 to catch the 06:00 to Brussels or Prague or wherever .......... leaving Sunday lunchtime for a 1 day meeting in US or Dubai or Bangalore ........... watching the last flight to London push back & you not on it.

But then the good times ......... the 1st Class upgrade(s) especially when the president & his staff were in business .......... the winters in warmer climes making global conference calls from a hot sunny pool or balcony with suitable G&T coolers

One of the best was a conference call with US China & Europe when I was setting up an African dealer meeting (in a private game reserve - as you do - but approved for a city hotel) in SA. 
The cell signal was not that good in the lodge & I was advised to drive a few miles over to a hill & pick up the strong signal from the public rest camp in Kruger NP.
During the call a group of eli's had been slowly munching there way towards me until I was more or less surrounded.  Some of the youngsters started to play & then to mock charge me (quite normal) accompanied by a eli trumpet duet !!! 
Wa'da'hell was that said el presidenti, it sounded like a car horn said china, my office knew where I was & agreed with me it must have been some on-line interference. As I was the only one using a cell I volunteered to go to mute from that point on.         
must have been a trunk call !!!
Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Cbr600
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

Four well-dressed men sitting together at a vacation resort.

Michael Palin: Ahh.. Very passable, this, very passable.

Graham Chapman: Nothing like a good glass of Chateau de Chassilier wine, ay Gessiah?

Terry Gilliam: You're right there Obediah.

Eric Idle: Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?

MP: Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

GC: A cup ' COLD tea.

EI: Without milk or sugar.

TG: OR tea!

MP: In a filthy, cracked cup.

EI: We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

GC: The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

TG: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.

MP: Aye. BECAUSE we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness."

EI: 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with greaaaaat big holes in the roof.

GC: House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!

TG: You were lucky to have a ROOM! *We* used to have to live in a corridor!

MP: Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph.

EI: Well when I say "house" it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpolin, but it was a house to US.

GC: We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake!

TG: You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.

MP: Cardboard box?

TG: Aye.

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TG: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

ALL: Nope, nope..

Great posting Graeme. Hope it was cut and paste, not retyped!

 

Lookforward to the parrot sketch

 

Paul

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by DrMark
Don't think it hasn't crossed my mind - I have actually applied to a few jobs in the UK (I have EU citizenship through Italy) not so much to do a runner, but because I haven't been anywhere in my life.  (Well, a week in Ukraine once.) But in the USA you can't discharge student loan debt through bankruptcy....seems all the attorneys that graduated were doing just that, so they kiboshed that program!
 
Maybe you can get me the details on getting those bennies form your MPs - let's not forget a stipend to convert my Naim gear to 220V!
 
Oh, and PS - I logged in to my loans to make a payment today, and my aggressive payment schedule actually has me down to $179,167.02 - so there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but I think it is a fast moving freight train!  I have a friend that will graduate pharmacy school this year over $200K - but she has the advantage of being in her mid 20's...not mid 50's.
 
PPS - what's "PLC"?
Still 182K in debt.....Jesus. Suggest you do a runner. Dont tell a soul,pop over to good old Great Britain PLC,go bankrupt,have a year of grief and your debt will be gone. In the meantime you tell our MPs you are going on the good old rock n roll and you want money for somewhere to live + money to live + money for a car +money to have a good time. Then in 2 years you go back home with a clean slate and start a new life.
WHY you may ask,well thousands here do it already so one more wont be a problem.
 
Mista H
Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Cbr600
Originally Posted by DrMark:
Don't think it hasn't crossed my mind - I have actually applied to a few jobs in the UK (I have EU citizenship through Italy) not so much to do a runner, but because I haven't been anywhere in my life.  (Well, a week in Ukraine once.) But in the USA you can't discharge student loan debt through bankruptcy....seems all the attorneys that graduated were doing just that, so they kiboshed that program!
 
Maybe you can get me the details on getting those bennies form your MPs - let's not forget a stipend to convert my Naim gear to 220V!
 
Oh, and PS - I logged in to my loans to make a payment today, and my aggressive payment schedule actually has me down to $179,167.02 - so there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but I think it is a fast moving freight train!  I have a friend that will graduate pharmacy school this year over $200K - but she has the advantage of being in her mid 20's...not mid 50's.
 
PPS - what's "PLC"?
Still 182K in debt.....Jesus. Suggest you do a runner. Dont tell a soul,pop over to good old Great Britain PLC,go bankrupt,have a year of grief and your debt will be gone. In the meantime you tell our MPs you are going on the good old rock n roll and you want money for somewhere to live + money to live + money for a car +money to have a good time. Then in 2 years you go back home with a clean slate and start a new life.
WHY you may ask,well thousands here do it already so one more wont be a problem.
 
Mista H

Public Limited Company

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by mista h
PLC is short for private limited company or public limited company
 
Mista h
Originally Posted by DrMark:
Don't think it hasn't crossed my mind - I have actually applied to a few jobs in the UK (I have EU citizenship through Italy) not so much to do a runner, but because I haven't been anywhere in my life.  (Well, a week in Ukraine once.) But in the USA you can't discharge student loan debt through bankruptcy....seems all the attorneys that graduated were doing just that, so they kiboshed that program!
 
Maybe you can get me the details on getting those bennies form your MPs - let's not forget a stipend to convert my Naim gear to 220V!
 
Oh, and PS - I logged in to my loans to make a payment today, and my aggressive payment schedule actually has me down to $179,167.02 - so there's a light at the end of the tunnel, but I think it is a fast moving freight train!  I have a friend that will graduate pharmacy school this year over $200K - but she has the advantage of being in her mid 20's...not mid 50's.
 
PPS - what's "PLC"?
Still 182K in debt.....Jesus. Suggest you do a runner. Dont tell a soul,pop over to good old Great Britain PLC,go bankrupt,have a year of grief and your debt will be gone. In the meantime you tell our MPs you are going on the good old rock n roll and you want money for somewhere to live + money to live + money for a car +money to have a good time. Then in 2 years you go back home with a clean slate and start a new life.
WHY you may ask,well thousands here do it already so one more wont be a problem.
 
Mista H

Public Limited Company

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by TomK

I was made redundant in June after 19 years of exemplary service. At age 58 that's never good news, particularly in the IT world. It was all quite nasty and obviously a set up. My day is spent ploughing through job recruitment sites and making pointless applications for jobs I know I've no chance of getting because I'm regarded as an old geezer. I'm stressed out of my mind because if I haven't got a job within the next year we'll have to sell our house and won't be able to get a mortgage. It's also very likely my extremely fragile marriage won't survive all this. I'm on maximum dosage of Citalopram so I can at least relax a bit.

It's all completely desperate at the moment and I'm drinking far too much to help me through it all.

 

However in spite of it all my blood pressure and blood sugar levels are the best they've been for thirty years. Maybe working isn't good for me.

Posted on: 13 November 2012 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
Ouch!!... hopefully there was some settlement package.... pension plan?
Posted on: 14 November 2012 by osprey

I feel for all of you who have stressful and/or meaningless job or have health issues which is even worse. I used work for an American run company for almost 20 years so I know a little bit about Corporate America (4-5-4 weeks made a quarter, 4 quarters made a year, one dead line followed another almost daily; and that was the calendar the personal life had to fit in – and as a consequence I hardly did have any).

 

Our small entity was sold two years ago to a speculator (or private investor as they are called also) and after short transition period the new owner came to the conclusion that I was not needed any more and I was rationalized out. Although my situation does not seem as bad as TomK’s (hang in there Tom) and I am kind of relieved that it is finally over I am still worried about future.

 

Since then I have been between jobs so the day in the office includes mainly job hunting (until noonish), lunch, day time TV/music, ca. one hour walk or an attempt to some other form of physical exercise and after that follow normal evening activities. I do not have a house which I could lose or a marriage which could break but I feel that I am a bit young and definitely too poor to retire just yet so I am still trying to find a new job although the chances to get one already in my age look unfortunately from slim to none.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by rodwsmith

Best of luck Tom and Osprey.

 

Makes me realise how lucky I am not just to enjoy my job, but even simply to have a job.

 

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by engjoo
Originally Posted by TomK:

I was made redundant in June after 19 years of exemplary service. At age 58 that's never good news, particularly in the IT world. It was all quite nasty and obviously a set up. My day is spent ploughing through job recruitment sites and making pointless applications for jobs I know I've no chance of getting because I'm regarded as an old geezer. I'm stressed out of my mind because if I haven't got a job within the next year we'll have to sell our house and won't be able to get a mortgage. It's also very likely my extremely fragile marriage won't survive all this. I'm on maximum dosage of Citalopram so I can at least relax a bit.

It's all completely desperate at the moment and I'm drinking far too much to help me through it all.

 

However in spite of it all my blood pressure and blood sugar levels are the best they've been for thirty years. Maybe working isn't good for me.

Dear Tomk,

 

I was out of job for 9 months and I know how you are feeling. My advise is to get some regular exercise (if you are not already doing so). It will help with getting rid of the stress you are going through. 

 

EJ

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by osprey
Originally Posted by rodwsmith:

Best of luck Tom and Osprey.

 

Makes me realise how lucky I am not just to enjoy my job, but even simply to have a job.

 

 

Thanks. Your situation sounds like something to aim for. Maybe someday ...

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by mista h
Hello Tom
I am truly sorry you have lost your job,and i realise the older you get in any industry the harder it is to find another job. However after 19 years with the same firm in IT  i would have thought  that a  very large redundancy package was compulsory. Her indoors worked in IT designing software for mainframe computers and was paid stupid amounts of cash,that allowed her to retire early. I am not sure of numbers but i think you must be due at worst a months salary for each year you worked for your company. Have you made sure you have been paid all you are entitled to ???
 
Mista H

I was made redundant in June after 19 years of exemplary service. At age 58 that's never good news, particularly in the IT world. It was all quite nasty and obviously a set up. My day is spent ploughing through job recruitment sites and making pointless applications for jobs I know I've no chance of getting because I'm regarded as an old geezer. I'm stressed out of my mind because if I haven't got a job within the next year we'll have to sell our house and won't be able to get a mortgage. It's also very likely my extremely fragile marriage won't survive all this. I'm on maximum dosage of Citalopram so I can at least relax a bit.

It's all completely desperate at the moment and I'm drinking far too much to help me through it all.

 

However in spite of it all my blood pressure and blood sugar levels are the best they've been for thirty years. Maybe working isn't good for me.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by osprey
Originally Posted by mista h:
... i would have thought  that a  very large redundancy package was compulsory. Her indoors worked in IT designing software for mainframe computers and was paid stupid amounts of cash,that allowed her to retire early. I am not sure of numbers but i think you must be due at worst a months salary for each year you worked for your company. Have you made sure you have been paid all you are entitled to ???
 

This something one could wish for. I worked altogether almost 22 years for the same company (under two different ownerships) and all I got was a 6 months notice time (and that itself is defined by law and was not any attempt from company's side to be generous). 

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Jasonf
Originally Posted by osprey:

       

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Originally Posted by rodwsmith:
Best of luck Tom and Osprey.

Makes me realise how lucky I am not just to enjoy my job, but even simply to have a job.


Thanks. Your situation sounds like something to aim for. Maybe someday ...



Yes, best of luck chaps keep on in there, something always turns up...........

My situation is thus:

I am an Architect and worked in an excellent little architectural office in Cambridge having responsibilities for turning clients dreams into architectural reality, nothing too fancy just your run of the mill houses, extensions and also public sector building schools and health centres, administering contracts between client and contractor and running projects on site, mostly up to  1million pounds....in general a very satisfying and varied week.

I left the UK two years ago to be with my wife, whom I married one year before leaving the UK....lets call that a transition period from being a bachelor to taking on some real responcibilites for once. At the time my Cambridge employer was starting to really feel the downturn and worked dropped off for them to such an extent that the boss suggested pay cuts to the remaining four staff, so I felt that my leaving was timely both for the company and for me.

After a month I managed to find a position in a small architectural company in Oslo, very, very lucky I thought, as the job market was saturated with architects moving from the rest of Europe to Norway to find work.

I started with great enthusiasm and excitement to see new ways of building new ideas, maybe I would find Utopia!

After a couple of months, it was clear that my new boss was not interested in architects working for him just 'cad monkeys', Along with me, a foreign architect with no Norwegian, he employs only female graduates with little experience. He is a control freak, who does not listen to viewpoints, he is also ignorant and obnoxious. Okay fair enough he is getting on and does not want to change his ways, when I arrived he had about 6 worksations that were not networked and thus we had no server for file management. Drawings were transfered to each other via either pen drives or email, it was absolute chaos...any suggestion for office management improvements were rejected out right. Anyway, 2 years later we have the pc's networked, but still no server and still chaos.

Today, my Norwegian is steadily improving but I have no responsibility, no creativity and thus I have no motivation or enjoyment out of my working week, and I am generally bored most days. And I have considered resigning twice, but now I have a 4 month old daughter, so I will try to find a new job during my pappa permission, which starts in February.

On the upside, I get payed much more, I am not stressed, I work less hours, I get payed overtime and I have a very nice work/home situation.

However, how I would trade all that in to be an architect.
Posted on: 14 November 2012 by DrMark

I have spent a fair bit of time out of work in stretches (hence part of the impetus for my late in life career change, which ended up finding me out of work a couple of times any way), and my standard line is "unemployment is great, except it just just pay enough."

 

I hope you find something soon - tougher at the older ages to remedy that situation, since age discrimination is the only kind that is allowed.

Posted on: 14 November 2012 by Jasonf
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Best of luck Tom and Osprey.

Makes me realise how lucky I am not just to enjoy my job, but even simply to have a job.


Thanks. Your situation sounds like something to aim for. Maybe someday ...



Yes, best of luck chaps keep on in there, something always turns up...........

My situation is thus:

I am an Architect and worked in an excellent little architectural office in Cambridge having responsibilities for turning clients dreams into architectural reality, nothing too fancy just your run of the mill houses, extensions and also public sector building schools and health centres, administering contracts between client and contractor and running projects on site, mostly up to  1million pounds....in general a very satisfying and varied week.

I left the UK two years ago to be with my wife, whom I married one year before leaving the UK....lets call that a transition period from being a bachelor to taking on some real responcibilites for once. At the time my Cambridge employer was starting to really feel the downturn and worked dropped off for them to such an extent that the boss suggested pay cuts to the remaining four staff, so I felt that my leaving was timely both for the company and for me.

After a month I managed to find a position in a small architectural company in Oslo, very, very lucky I thought, as the job market was saturated with architects moving from the rest of Europe to Norway to find work.

I started with great enthusiasm and excitement to see new ways of building new ideas, maybe I would find Utopia!

After a couple of months, it was clear that my new boss was not interested in architects working for him just 'cad monkeys', Along with me, a foreign architect with no Norwegian, he employs only female graduates with little experience. He is a control freak, who does not listen to viewpoints, he is also ignorant and obnoxious. Okay fair enough he is getting on and does not want to change his ways, when I arrived he had about 6 worksations that were not networked and thus we had no server for file management. Drawings were transfered to each other via either pen drives or email, it was absolute chaos...any suggestion for office management improvements were rejected out right. Anyway, 2 years later we have the pc's networked, but still no server and still chaos.

Today, my Norwegian is steadily improving but I have no responsibility, no creativity and thus I have no motivation or enjoyment out of my working week, and I am generally bored most days. And I have considered resigning twice, but now I have a 4 month old daughter, so I will try to find a new job during my pappa permission, which starts in February.

On the upside, I get payed much more, I am not stressed, I work less hours, I get payed overtime and I have a very nice work/home situation.

However, how I would trade all that in to be an architect.
Jason,
    I see you get paid much more, but i recall on visiting Oslo a few years ago that the place was hellish expensive to live, with people often not being able to afford to eat out at night?

What about CAD work from home via your old contacts in Cambridge?

I know many architect firms now contract their CAD work all over the place and just mail back the details?

Paul



Hi Paul -

Yes it is very expensive here, for example one could pay anywhere between 7-9 pounds per pint in a normal pub and much more, say around 14 pounds per bottle in a bar that sell some types of Belgium Trappist beer. However, overall I am far better off financially than when I was living in Cambridge and if one lived in London....there is just no comparison even with the high taxes here. In general everybody here can afford to eat out, its just that most decide not too because of the prices, and they certainly don't eat out as much as you do in the UK. Also people tend to go home to eat before going out.

I have actually begun to find private work, I have had two jobs in about a year, quite small and only to keep my mind active....but this may get better.

Yes, the CAD work is a good idea, I had not really considered that....certainly worth further investigation Paul.

Cheers.
Posted on: 14 November 2012 by osprey
Originally Posted by Jasonf:
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Today, my Norwegian is steadily improving but I have no responsibility, no creativity and thus I have no motivation or enjoyment out of my working week, and I am generally bored most days. And I have considered resigning twice, but now I have a 4 month old daughter, so I will try to find a new job during my pappa permission, which starts in February.

On the upside, I get payed much more, I am not stressed, I work less hours, I get payed overtime and I have a very nice work/home situation.

However, how I would trade all that in to be an architect.

 

Hi Jason, sounds like your pappapermisjon comes right on time.