Mining for obscure prog rock...some surprising finds!

Posted by: Ron Toolsie on 27 November 2012

In the last month or so, I have diverted my musical attentions pretty much to the prog rock genre (and BTW the progarchives.com site is an invaluable resource). I have relatively little of this music in my collection, and then it tends to be the best known (King Crimson, Yes, Wishbone Ash, Rick Wakeman, Renaissance etc). So I decided to dig a little-well actually WAY deeper. 

 

I am still a neophyte so I will not make too many comparisons, but rather share what I consider extremely good but obscure music. One thing I have found, is that it takes sheer *talent* to play prog rock, so it is very difficult to critique it in terms of technique....its main failings as far as I can tell are the vocals which occasionally tend to be oversung and bombastic. 

 

Until I have listened a bit more to the 50 plus artists I have added to my collection I will for now just have to give a few very honorable mentions. 

 

Yezda Urfa.... The best find so far. A band from Illinois (US) that have an uncanny resemblance to Yes in terms of composition, bass playing and very Andersonesque vocals. But I find them rather more melodic than any Yes I have in my collection, and the nonsensical song titles parody the over-serious attitude that many of their contemporaries were guilty of. Dare I say the playing is of an equal or higher virtuosity than that of Yes? There are only two albums...Boris from 1975 and Sacred Baboon from 1976. 

 

The New Trolls- Italian prog rock at its best. The 'Ut' and 'Searching for a Land' albums seem particularly good, and both were released in 1972. 

 

Days- a Danish band from 1972. Only one release as far as I can tell, which is self titled. 

 

The Masters Apprentices- an Aussie band. I have so far only heard their albums Choice Cuts (1972) and a Toast to Panama Red (1972). Expertly crafted and played music. I do wish the albums were mastered better though. 

 

Gryphon-Between 1973 and 1975 they released four albums that are very deeply rooted in olde Englishe Folke and are largely acoustic. Although any of these is excellent, the best is probably their third -Red Queen to Gryphon Three. If you love the folkie side of Mike Oldfield, then this one should impress, and in places sounds very similar to Ommadawn. 

 

Iceberg- some Spanish prog rockers. The 1975 Tutankhamon has the fluid melodies of some of the best Camel. 

 

Other artists I have recently cast an ear to, but have not listened enough to from a definitive opinion but are very promising....Khan, Gnidrolog (In Search of Harry's Toenail!?), Eden Rose, Anglagard, Jan Dukes de Gray, The Lens, Eloy, the Scottish band Hate with the Hate Kills album from 1970

 

And a passing mention to a much better known Prog Rock band-Gentle Giant. Two of their better albums (Octopus and Three Friends) were remastered last year and the sonic results are simply marvelous, as is the music. There is a life, clarity and presence that was entirely stripped from the previous releases. 

Posted on: 27 November 2012 by Paper Plane

Try looking out T2's It'll All Work Out In Boomland, anything by Nektar and the Dutch band Supersister.

 

steve

Posted on: 27 November 2012 by BigH47

Pavlov's Dog and Spock's Beard?

Posted on: 27 November 2012 by Cat lover

Looking for obscure? Sume's Sumut from 1973. The most successful prog rock album ever released in Greenland (actually the most successful Greenland band ever).

Posted on: 27 November 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Ron Toolsie:

 

Gryphon-Between 1973 and 1975 they released four albums that are very deeply rooted in olde Englishe Folke and are largely acoustic. Although any of these is excellent, the best is probably their third -Red Queen to Gryphon Three. If you love the folkie side of Mike Oldfield, then this one should impress, and in places sounds very similar to Ommadawn. 

Hello Ron

 

Good thread - agree totally with you about Gentle Giant, loved them when they were Simon Dupree and the Big Sound with Kites and just grew up with them when the progressed. 

 

I have 5 albums by Gryphon, however the first may not be considered prog-rock - it is my favourite though ... Richard Harvey went on to compose lots of film music and TV soundtracks. 

 

Eloy are excellent and I really like the Power and the Passion though Ocean is their magnum opus. 

 

Jan Dukes de Grey's Mice and Rats in the Loft is an album I had for ages, the vocals are peculiar to say the least. I really like them though. 

 

You could try Second Hand's Death Will Be Your Santa Clauss. 


I only know Space Shanty by Khan, it has Steve Hillage on guitar if I recall correctly. 


You could try

  • Argent - Ring of Hands 
    Not very obscure, but an extraordinary record with some great Russ Ballard songs in amonst the Zombiesque prog of Rod Argent and Chris White 
  • Audience - House on the Hill
    Wonderful album by a much underrated band. This is very song based, but all the songs have a twist - Eye to Eye is great Tull of a song - at times I think this is Jethro Zeppelin. l
  • Curved Air - Airconditioning
    The picture disc with a classical feel from Francis Monkman, Violin from Darryl Way and Sonja hitting the highs ... there is a track called Blind Man which is just startling  
  • Darryl Way's Wolf - Cannis Lupus
    Mr Way after Curved Air - quite serious lots of violin. 
  • England - Garden Shed
    Sort of Yes meets Gentle Giant 
  • Graphite - Chesnut Loke 
    This is very laid back prog -  Canterbury style 
  • Greenslade - Bedside Manners are Extra
     
    Keyboard led ... can drift in to jazz fusion, but mostly - but as you like Red Queen to Gryphon Three then I'm guessing you'll like this ... the keyboards are Emerson like at their best. 
  • Quatermass - eponymous
    Lots of organ and this one really rocks along ... a bit like early Atomic Rooster 
  • Second Hand Death Will Be Your Santa Clauss 
    You'll be unlikely to hear another album like this .. it's a bit far out, but holds together when it needs to ... this group don't believe in time signatures .. think early Kraftwerk met Genesis at the circus and bumped in to Kevin Ayers and you are still not quite there - oh I'm sure it was recorded in a bathroom.  
  • Skin Alley - To Pagham and Beyond
    Jazzy prog 

I'll certainly look in to some of your suggestions. 

 

All the best, Guy 

Posted on: 27 November 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Cat lover:

Looking for obscure? Sume's Sumut from 1973. The most successful prog rock album ever released in Greenland (actually the most successful Greenland band ever).

+1 thoroughly recommended 

 

An one of the few prog-bands to use jugs, washboards and harmonica on the classic Den første bid af sælen - I can't understand a word of what they are saying as it is all in Danish ... sort of progressive country with a guitarist who thinks he is Jorma Kaukonen from Jefferson Airplane/Hot Tuna - good though. 

Posted on: 27 November 2012 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Cat lover:

Looking for obscure? Sume's Sumut from 1973. The most successful prog rock album ever released in Greenland (actually the most successful Greenland band ever).

Sounds brilliant - is it still available?

 

I wonder how many copies you'd have to sell in Greenland in order to qualify for a Gold disc?

Posted on: 27 November 2012 by Guido Fawkes

 

This you tube clip sounds much cleaner and better than my copy ... 

 

You could try Discogs (please click)

Posted on: 29 November 2012 by steveb

Best way of finding obscure/rare Prog rock is by label sampler  box sets

Try

A Breath of Fresh Air-Harvest Anthology 1969-74 (3cd)

Refugees-Charisma anthology 1969-1978 (3cd)

All Good Clean Fun- Journey through the underground of Liberty/UA 1967-1975 (3cd)

Strangely Strange But Oddly Normal-Island Anthology 1967-1973 (3cd)

Time Machine-A Vertigo Retrospective (3cd)

Spirit of Joy-Tales from the Polydor Underground 1967-1974 (3cd)

Caves of Clear Light-The Pye and Dawn records Underground Trip 1967-1975 (3cd)

Legend of a Mind-The Decca Underground Anthology (3cd)

Strange Pleasures-Further sounds of the Decca Underground (3cd)

The Last Daze of the Underground- The Delerium Records Anthology (3cd)

Ars Longa Vita Brevis- A Compendium of Progressive Rock 1967-1974 (3cd)

 

All are filled with both known and rare/obscure artists and all have excellent booklets with histories of all the artists

 

Also  for the Krautrock and prog  overs don't forget the

Music For Your Brain Vols 1-4, 6cds per volume, often 80 mins/cd filled with lost of rare/unknown music along with some of the more well known exponents

 

Should be more than enough here to satisfy anyone's curiosity

 

Steve

Posted on: 29 November 2012 by DenisA

An unlikely source of Prog music discovery is available from Steve Davis, the former World Snooker Champion - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Davis 

 

 

Steve has a column called Interesting Alternative in the Prog magazine. In Septembers edition he cites three beautifully recorded CD's that could float your aural boat.

 

1. Polysoft - Tribute to Soft Machine: Live at Le Triton 2002

 

2. Helmet of Gnats - High Street

 

3. Ahvak - Ahvak

 

 

Broadcasting from Brentwood, Essex in the UK Steve has a Monday night show called The Interesting Alternative Show. You can listen 'live' or investigate his playlists which should be, er, interesting...

http://www.phoenixfm.com/categ...ng-alternative-show/ 

 

Yours in Prog

 

Denis

Posted on: 29 November 2012 by Ron Toolsie

Thanks you for the responses...I have so far  listened to a couple of albums by Nektar (I find them a little too Deep Purpley and not enough Floydy), Greenslade (when they let loose with the semi improvised jazz runs they are very listenable...otherwise a little too formulaic). I also have got-but not fully listened to Pavlov's Dog, Quatermass and the Curved Air album- but I shall before too long. And I plan to pursue-if reasonably possible-the remaining recommendations too. Those compilations sound like a great place to start. 

 

Yes, I remember Steve Davis from my Uni days. He had all the personality of say Bjorn Bjorg but without the latters scintillating sense of humor. It is good to see that he has some decent tastes in music. I wonder if Jockie Wilson also may have some prog rock recommendations??

 

I wonder though if it was not the intentions of some of the early prog rockers to choose to be obscure and art for art sake instead of commercial recognition. I mean one band (Geysir) was composed of Americans....who then moved to Iceland and released their first (?last) album only in Iceland. Or the inclusion of the word 'Toenail' in the album title by another band. 

 

I had a brief listen to a Roy Harper album early this morning...Stormcock...and it sounds VERY promising...although it is at best prog folk, and maybe even straight folk. 

Posted on: 29 November 2012 by DenisA

Hi Ron,

 

 

I'd also recommend listening to The Dividing Line or download their podcast programs.

In the past I have listened to the Shawn Bishop show - Behind The Lines http://www.thedividingline.com/schedule.html 

 

Denis

Posted on: 29 November 2012 by Steve J

Ron,

 

A few prog albums I can recommend from my vinyl vaults;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And finally a sampler from the sixties from the prog label Deram Nova

 

 

ATB

 

Steve

Posted on: 29 November 2012 by Ron Toolsie

Steve J, 

Exploring your recommendations. Black Cat Bones is a standout so far. Not really prog but superb blues rock....reminds me of the best of Free mixed in with some Bluesbreakers. Excellent stuff. And Whalefeathers is also very good...the plaintive guitar brings to mind Mike Bloomfield on the 'Hard Road' track. I also should have some Edgar Broughton in the next few days. 

 

Denis A- I listened to some samples from Helmet of Gnats, and its really really good. More traditional progressive in the style of Yes, and far removed from any blues or psychadelia. I look forward to listening to the whole disk. 

 

SteveB- Those compilations look fascinating and would give me exactly the sort of perspective I need to expore the myriad of prog rockers out there. Now I just need to find some of them!

 

Guy-Quatermass is also quite up my alley. A hard rock base peppered with spacy psychadelic interludes. Good call. I will have to listen to Greenslade a few more times before I have any opinion on it.

 

Ditto Pavlov's dog. 

 

Anybody know anything about the Dutch band  Earth and Fire (no...no Wind in this one)? I have listened to only one of the albums so far-Atlantis, and found very palatable. You can listen to the whole 33 minute album on Youtube. 

 

Moving to something a little more esoteric-Errobi. A group from the Basque region of Spain singing in their own language (I don't know what it is, but it sure doesn't sound like Spanish). Traditional prog blended with touches of Arabic influences and dare I say I can hear some Celtic type folk there too. The album from 1978 is titled Ametsaren Bidea. 

 

And returning to the Danish contribution (it appears it is difficult to do any digging into prog rock without striking Dane paydirt), I find Secret Oyster to have to goods. 

 

Listening to Starcastle right now. I like what I am hearing. So many obscure bands...so little time!

Posted on: 30 November 2012 by Paper Plane

Steve Davis is also a big fan of Magma, a band I can highly recommend you try if you haven't already. Kohntarkosz might be a good place start.

 

steve

Posted on: 30 November 2012 by DenisA

Prog Archives categorise DAYS BETWEEN STATIONS as...

Eclectic Prog • United States

 

Reviews - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19209

 

 

Sample Tracks...

 

Days Between Stations - Requiem for the living http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpqgmA_p-3I 

 

Days Between Stations - Either/or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvmsMxZmhqo 

 

Days Between Stations - Radio Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzuJJktdQ4I

Posted on: 30 November 2012 by C P

+ 1 for Pavlov's Dog and what about Home - "The Alchemist" v v prof

Posted on: 30 November 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Ron Toolsie:

Thanks you for the responses...I have so far  listened to a couple of albums by Nektar (I find them a little too Deep Purpley and not enough Floydy), .....

 

I had a brief listen to a Roy Harper album early this morning...Stormcock...and it sounds VERY promising...although it is at best prog folk, and maybe even straight folk. 

Ah Ron .. yes well I prefer Purple (Blackmore/Lord incarnations) to Floyd (never quite as good with Syd) in most ways though I like both so my initial recommendations might be influenced by that ... Deep Purple's The Shield is a track I urged you listen on the The Book of Taliesyn. 

 

Roy Harper is an artist I really like .. but not what I called progressive rock, more acid folk or ... well just plain super - try HQ a stunning album as indeed is the excellent Stormcock. As Led Zep once said hats off to Roy Harper ... he and the Captain were the stars of the show when I saw PF at Knebworth. 

Posted on: 30 November 2012 by Arfur Oddsocks

Here's one of my fave prog albums

(Traditional style Sea Shanties it ain't!!!!)

Posted on: 30 November 2012 by Arfur Oddsocks

Posted on: 30 November 2012 by DrMark

I don't know how obscure, but they only made 2 albums that I know of (shown here in reverse order of their release), and are excellent:

 

 

Posted on: 01 December 2012 by DenisA

After investigating an interesting recommendation from Steve Davis, I have just ordered this...

 

 

Simon Steensland - Fat Again http://production.altrock.it/prod2.asp?lang=ita_&id=113&id2=114 

 

Most of the album can be heard here - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Simon+Steensland+&oq=Simon+Steensland+&gs_l=youtube-reduced.12...1947878.1947878.0.1949393.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac.2.

 

Prog Archives Reviews - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=26629 

 

Steve describes an earlier release,The Zombie Hunter, as a mix of Zappa, Zeuhl and RIO, but still sounds like no other music you've ever heard before. That's probably true, because I can't find any samples or availability to buy. This recommendation came from Steve's PROG article...

EASY SQUEEZY - The rough guide to accordian prog

Posted on: 01 December 2012 by Ron Toolsie

Steve J, 

Two more good calls with Magna Carta (light, acoustic folk rock) and the (very) Cream-esque psychadelic Whalefeathers. But Edgar Broughton.....really?? Hystrionic Wolfman Jack vocalizations set on top of experimental hard rock. This is one you will either love or hate. I don't love it . People who 'get' Troutmask Replica would really go for this one. 

 

Arfur (may I call you just Arfur)...Sea Shanties is a great find. Lots of flashy lead guitar runs with just the right amount of complexity and atonality. 

 

Guy- As much as I love 'Made in Japan' I could never really warm up to Deep Purples studio albums. BTW, if you haven't already heard it, the Audio Fidelity remastering of Machine Head gives the band a whole new harmonic complexity and dynamic contrast. But it is out of print (like the DCC remastering of Made in Japan which is also excellent)

 

Paper Plane (is that a Quo reference?)- I have Magma's Kobaia album already. Its sort of experimental jazz with dreamy undertones. I like this one. 

 

Denis A- I will be looking into Simon Steensland

 

Keep those obscure recommendations coming. 

Posted on: 01 December 2012 by DenisA

Whilst potting around with Steve's playlists I found this interesting band...

 

 

Unit Wail -  Pangea Proxima

 

Sample Track - Sargasso Sea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbjOKDGzXsg 

 

I like this quote, below, from an interesting blog called...

The Best Bands You've Probably Never Heard Of Revisiting some overlooked progressive rock gems

http://progressivegems.wordpress.com/ 

 

"The album closes out with a heavy funeral march that creates mental imagery of Godzilla walking off into the sunset, sad that this has come to an end.  At least for now.   You can always hit the play button again.  And again."

 

The Blog is a handy reference I think.

Posted on: 01 December 2012 by MDS

Ron

 

Edgar Broughton Band has already been mentioned and I don't know if these meet your definition of obscure but I would add:

 

Cactus, first album Cactus

Uriah Heap, Very Eavy Very Umble

Groundhogs, Split and Thank Christ for the Bomb 

Pink Fairies, Never Never Land

 

MDS

Posted on: 01 December 2012 by Arfur Oddsocks