Mining for obscure prog rock...some surprising finds!
Posted by: Ron Toolsie on 27 November 2012
In the last month or so, I have diverted my musical attentions pretty much to the prog rock genre (and BTW the progarchives.com site is an invaluable resource). I have relatively little of this music in my collection, and then it tends to be the best known (King Crimson, Yes, Wishbone Ash, Rick Wakeman, Renaissance etc). So I decided to dig a little-well actually WAY deeper.
I am still a neophyte so I will not make too many comparisons, but rather share what I consider extremely good but obscure music. One thing I have found, is that it takes sheer *talent* to play prog rock, so it is very difficult to critique it in terms of technique....its main failings as far as I can tell are the vocals which occasionally tend to be oversung and bombastic.
Until I have listened a bit more to the 50 plus artists I have added to my collection I will for now just have to give a few very honorable mentions.
Yezda Urfa.... The best find so far. A band from Illinois (US) that have an uncanny resemblance to Yes in terms of composition, bass playing and very Andersonesque vocals. But I find them rather more melodic than any Yes I have in my collection, and the nonsensical song titles parody the over-serious attitude that many of their contemporaries were guilty of. Dare I say the playing is of an equal or higher virtuosity than that of Yes? There are only two albums...Boris from 1975 and Sacred Baboon from 1976.
The New Trolls- Italian prog rock at its best. The 'Ut' and 'Searching for a Land' albums seem particularly good, and both were released in 1972.
Days- a Danish band from 1972. Only one release as far as I can tell, which is self titled.
The Masters Apprentices- an Aussie band. I have so far only heard their albums Choice Cuts (1972) and a Toast to Panama Red (1972). Expertly crafted and played music. I do wish the albums were mastered better though.
Gryphon-Between 1973 and 1975 they released four albums that are very deeply rooted in olde Englishe Folke and are largely acoustic. Although any of these is excellent, the best is probably their third -Red Queen to Gryphon Three. If you love the folkie side of Mike Oldfield, then this one should impress, and in places sounds very similar to Ommadawn.
Iceberg- some Spanish prog rockers. The 1975 Tutankhamon has the fluid melodies of some of the best Camel.
Other artists I have recently cast an ear to, but have not listened enough to from a definitive opinion but are very promising....Khan, Gnidrolog (In Search of Harry's Toenail!?), Eden Rose, Anglagard, Jan Dukes de Gray, The Lens, Eloy, the Scottish band Hate with the Hate Kills album from 1970
And a passing mention to a much better known Prog Rock band-Gentle Giant. Two of their better albums (Octopus and Three Friends) were remastered last year and the sonic results are simply marvelous, as is the music. There is a life, clarity and presence that was entirely stripped from the previous releases.
But Edgar Broughton.....really?? Hystrionic Wolfman Jack vocalizations set on top of experimental hard rock. This is one you will either love or hate. I don't love it . People who 'get' Troutmask Replica would really go for this one.
Ron,
I understand. Wasa Wasa is a bit of a Marmite album. Instead try their eponymous album 'Edgar Broughton Band' from later in 1971. It's the one with the 'meat' cover. This one is probably more up your street. I'm pleased you enjoyed the others though.
ATB
Steve
Posted on: 01 December 2012 by Steve J
Here's a picture of the LP.
Steve
Posted on: 01 December 2012 by Guido Fawkes
> In my earlier post I made a real typo - meant to say I preferred Floyd with Syd ... I still regard their first album and the early singles as classics and I prefer Syd's solo albums to subsequent Floyd output (although I don't dislike Floyd output).
Ron I have most early Purple albums on vinyl, but not the Audio Fidelity Machine Head alas, I do have Space In Time by TYA on Audio Fidelity and that sound quality is excellent ...
The current band who are psych/prog that I think are outstanding are the Ozric Tentacles, but I wouldn't call them obscure.
Perhaps a bit more psych than prog, but the following may be of interest
Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come - Lots of keyboards and electronics in amongst Authur's rather bizarre story lines, but well worth a spin. You never quite know what is coming next with this one. God Save The Queen is certainly one way to lead in to a heavy guitar riff and with lyrics about an unfortunate set of traffic lights that had a fear of green. [Some of the lyrical content is not ideal if you are just about to have tea]. The band's earlier outing is also adventurous and worth a listen or two: Galactic Zoo Dozier.
Fairfield Palour - From Home To Home (original called Kaleidoscope and responsible for two brilliant psych albums they went prog and changed their name ... they sound a bit Moody Blues in their revis guise) - they are very song based, but that tends to give them an advantage. They were set to play Bordeaux Rose on TOTP then along came Teddy Teeth, the 3 day week and no TV after 10.00 and they were axed ... probably cost them a #1 single.
Home - made two innocuous country rock albums that to be frank were not very good then suddenly produced unleashed The Alchemist, which is a stunning shift in to prog with an excellent concept album
Oddfellows Casino - Yellow Bellied Wonderland (a modern band who hark back to the early 70s in style more successfully than most)
Tractor .... the self titled album (they were original called The Way We Live) - two guys who make a lot of noise, but in a very controlled way
Posted on: 01 December 2012 by plexxx
This is a good thread, I've been looking for new prog rock bands. I've recently got into progressive and made a few discovery's. Here are a few.
Metamorfosi - Inferno (Italy) Some cool prog rock sounds with opera mixed in.
J. A. Seazer, as in Julius Caesar, is a most interesting character according to Julian Cope's book on Japanese rock - let's just say he tended to get into trouble with people you shouldn't get into trouble with.
His most available recent work is the soundtrack material for the anime Utena, which (especially the film version) is strange enough in itself.
BTW The Merlons earlier prog-folk stuff is well worth a listen, when they were still called Merlons Of Nehemiah, Eluoami in particular.
steve
Posted on: 02 December 2012 by Steve J
A couple more '60s/'70s favourites Ron;
1973 A great album. The group were a break off of Colosseum and was originally called Jon Hiseman's Tempest. Paul Williams is on vocal. Saw them in Devon just before coming up to live in London.
CBS 1969. This their second album is progressive, the first being mainly blues rock.
ATB
Steve
Posted on: 02 December 2012 by Ron Toolsie
Maybe I should have tweaked the tread title to seek suggestions for obscure prog rock with halfway decent sound.....I listened to the Sea Shanties album several times today on the main system, and as much as I loved the music, it had all the fidelity of a precorded cassetted played on a mis-aligned Amstrad player (and I have used one of those too....), that completely sapped any musical tension and drive. Whalefeathers (which I found even better than the Sea Shanties) was similarly afflicted with very pedestrian sound quality. Ditto National Health. So far the disks with outstanding quality have been the RM Gentle Giant albums, Roy Harpers Stormcock and the Gryphon catalogue. I think for music this obscure, there is no real motivation for the record companies to spend too much time and effort tracking down mastertapes, that may be buried under some Icelandic glacier and remixing/remastering-knowing full well that the same 2000 people in the global market will buy them in whatever form they are released. The Gnats Helmet album was also very well produced, but I suspect it is from an entirely different time period.
I don't know if anybody yet has checked out Yezda Urfa 'Sacred Baboon'...but one of the tracks has got a very loud cough in it. Apparently there was a mistake made by one of the musicians, and since they were on such a shoestring budget, they could not afford the tape or the studio time to lay down that track again, so they just covered it up with a group cough at the decisive moment., and admitted to it too. Yes, inspite of being virtuouso musicians, they really didn't take themselves or their musical prowress too seriously. ISTR that some Traffic song also had a cough in it.....anybody??
But I will track down and try to listen to each and every suggestion that is offered, so please keep them coming.
Posted on: 03 December 2012 by DenisA
Naked Truth - Ouroboros
Avant Cornetist Graham Haynes joins Naked Truth (Feliciati, Powell and Mastelotto) for their new release, Ouroboros, as they continue their explorations of the space between Jazz-Rock, Ambient and Cosmic Music.
Perhaps on the edge of Prog, the track Dust was included in this months PROG magazine sampler CD. A mix of Jazz-Rock with on-the-fly electronic processing, this might appeal if you like to unwind with some controlled mayhem
Maybe I should have tweaked the tread title to seek suggestions for obscure prog rock with halfway decent sound.....I listened to the Sea Shanties album several times today on the main system, and as much as I loved the music, it had all the fidelity of a precorded cassetted played on a mis-aligned Amstrad player
Ah! the old what comes first debate,the music or the fidelity?( a debate which,incidentaly,rages in my mind on a regular basis)
I have an original copy of 'Sea Shanties' on Liberty records bought shortly after its release My dilema is; it has sounded increasingly less involving as the equipement on which it is played has "improved" (can i say at this point the 'Sea Shanties' album is not alone in this phenomenon). An audiophile nutter I know( not a generalisation but this dude really is!) explains this effect as 'the passing of youth', 'the ageing process taking its toll on ones spirit'(I'm paraphrasing here by the way but I'm sure you get my drift), but surely, if ones hi fi/audio tackle reduces the enjoyment of ones favourite music, based on 'poor recording' that was never an issue when more 'primitive' gear was all that were available, then surely summink ain't right is it?? Shall we abandon the 'poorly recorded' obscure gems and just listen to the great recordings that may not suit our natural leanings?
Anyroads,that probably should have its own thread rather than Hi-jack this rather good one and I can't be arsed at the min to start one, so take no notice of my deranged ramblings.
Great minds and all that. I meant to include Mighty Baby 'Jug of Love' on last nights post.
My original is Blue Horizon but it is generally available on CD and I believe was repressed on vinyl by MOV.
Steve
Posted on: 04 December 2012 by Wugged Woy
A teenage student of mine has just recommended this to me, early 70's stuff ! ..... and our favourite 'rain forest' is posting it off to Chez Wugged :-
SWEET SMOKE - twofer - albums "Just A Poke" and "Darkness to Light"
Well you could knock me down with a wet kipper. I thought I knew a bit about 70's music, but not heard of them. However, this youtube clip of first album sounds excellent ...........
Wugged....I got both of the Sweet Smoke albums...I particularly like the Just a Poke with each of the sides containing just a single extended jam track with a airy jazzy feel. Good call, and like most people here, I had never head of them before.
Steve J-Mighty Baby is also a strong album-it is more melodic, slower paced and darker than the Sweet Smoke ones, but also has a lot going for it.
Plexxx...I tried the Inferno album. Undeniably good musicianship, but I found the Italian lyrics a little too distracting...I somewhat prefer Euro-accented English lyrics. From what I have heard much of the Italian prog rock really deserves its Linnaen subclassification as it is rather different from most other prog.
Guy-the Home album (the Alchemist) is rather nice, isn't it. I can pass on my approval.
Now everybody has of course heard of Supertramp....but how many have heard there self titled debut album....extremely good prog rock, and if the truth be know holds up to repeated listening even better than CoTC. There are some lovely jazzy and exceptionally fluid guitar breaks with prog rocky keyboard work all over the place. I strongly urge anyone who has not yet heard this album to track it down. Several of the tracks (Maybe I'm a Beggar, Words Unspoken) are haunting and hypnotic. I cannot recommend this one enough.
Posted on: 08 December 2012 by Wugged Woy
Thanks for the info., Ron. I will check the Steve J-Mighty Baby out on Aunty Rainforest.
Posted on: 09 December 2012 by Ron Toolsie
Guy-I have now had time to listen to the first two (of four) Audience albums, and can say without reservation that they are excellent. Folky prog that as you say is reminiscent of Jethro Tull, and as such comes highly recommended.
On a slightly more spacey vein, I can strongly recommend either of the albums by Cressida (self titled 1970, Asylum 1971) which are also excellent and a very worthy addition to anyone who is even remotely interested in prog rock.
For example
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Another interesting album I have been lately digesting is one by Ramases, a band who at some point included all of the founding members of 10cc! Check out Space Hymns from 1971.
Posted on: 09 December 2012 by Nick Lees
Hi Ron,
You mentioned Earth & Fire. Apart from Atlantis, the only other really good album that could be called Prog was Song Of The Marching Children. After those, they veered towards pop with a dash of disco.
You might try the two Cathedral albums (the US crew, not the UK rockers that Guy loves) Stained Glass Stories, which they made in the 70s, and The Bridge, which they made a couple of years ago.
And another Yank Prog band, Deadwood Forest - Mellodramatic.
All the above drenched in Mellotron...
Posted on: 09 December 2012 by Ron Toolsie
Gary
Yes, I got Cathedrals Stained Glass Stories a few days ago and have already passed on a strong endorsement of this album to a couple of people I am also privately communicating with about this very topic. I really like the Earth and Fire 'Atlantis' so I will certainly check out their 'Song of the Marching Children', and will studiously avoid any albums that have got disco elements in them-with very rare exceptions that is a fatal blow.
Haven't seen, heard or read of Deadwood Forest, But I will!
Posted on: 09 December 2012 by Ron Toolsie
Here is one that I recently listened to-and the more I listen the more I like it. Australias first prog rock band- Sebastian Hardie, from their second album titled Windchase. These guys apparently used to perform the whole side 1 of Tubular Bells in their early concerts, so they cannot be all that bad-and indeed they are not. Rather more accessible to non-prog rock heads, but still melodically and rhythmically complex enough for even progs most rabid fans.
Posted on: 11 December 2012 by Westcoastman
I have to say this is a wonderful thread and I continue to be amazed at how much music I was totally unaware of, even though I thought I was in the middle of it all in the late '60s early '70s. What has really given me a great deal of pleasure is to finally find out about bands I had hear of and seen as support acts or at free concerts, though I never had the money to acquire their albums (Gryphon / Cressida / Quartermass / Nucleus / Hatfield and the North and the list goes on). At the time I thought Hawkwind / Pink Fairies / Edgar Broughton Band were the 'underground' bands, alas they appear to have had a far higher public profile than the majority of bands that Ron and various forum members have brought to my attention. Anyhow, I just wish to thank everyone for bringing me up to speed and I know I will have several months of interesting listening ahead.....as I listen to 'My Solid Ground'. Also, I should note that the artwork for these albums makes todays artwork seem totally lacking IMO. And finally, one recommendation if I may....McDonald and Giles...if you like the softer side of ITCOTCK, then you are in for a treat.
Posted on: 12 December 2012 by Ron Toolsie
Yes, in the last few days I have listened to the My Solid Ground album several times, and have come to really like the mix of hard rock and spacey prog rock. Also this album seems to have been much better recorded/mastered than many of the other bands from that era. Even this youTube video hints at the sonic quality.
Posted on: 22 December 2012 by DenisA
Hi Ron, here's something interesting from Steve's playlist on 17 Dec...
Panzerpappa is the definitive Norwegian instrumental Avant/Progressive Rock/RIO group. Their inventive and playful sound ("Progressive Rock with a friendly face") is at once reminiscent of inspirational precursors such as Samla Mammas Manna, King Crimson, Henry Cow, Univers Zero and Frank Zappa, while at the same time sounding unmistakably like ... Panzerpappa!
After reading Steve's latest "Interesting Alternative" column in PROG Magazine (Issue 32), I have purchased three albums from Thumpermonkeyhttp://thumpermonkey.com/
SLEEP FURIOUSLY review “…their often bewildering mastery of everything – King Crimson like angularity and dissonance, the blissful pop dynamics of the Cardiacs, and the esoteric post-hardcore audacity of Shudder to Think – amount to a sustained victory for intuitive cross-pollination…most importantly, Thumpermonkey’s music is ridiculously exciting; the blazing light of punk rock filtered skilfully through the cerebral prog prism…” PROG MAGAZINE
Dennis A-thank you (and Steve Davis) for the recommendations above. I agree Thumpermonkey are great technical musicians, but sometimes find their music a little more hard rock and a little less prog rock, although the elements of prog (complex and frequently changing melodies and time signatures) are found all the way through. I guess what I have learned over the last few months is that I have a gravitation towards space and folk prog-but those are just my tastes.
Here are a few I have been enjoying.
Gravy Train-Ballad of a Peaceful Man. The first track is somewhat atypical....but if you advance to the title track around 5:30 you will hear very strong shades of the best of King Crimson.
Lard Free-some French 'krautrock' musicians. The opening track is mesmerising with a slow rhythmic bass melody that eventually gets wed with slashing atonal guitar chords and free range saxophone. Eugene should have been careful with his axe.
The Shiver-a Swiss prog rock band from the late 60s. Slow spacey prog and blues rock with some nice Rick Wakeman-ish keyboard work. This track has moody keyboards and screaming psychadelic guitars that remind me of Live in Pompeii.
Felt-from their 1970 self titled album. Who knew there was an actual psychadelic rock scene in Alabama at that time? This piece reminds me of an acid dropped version of Carole Kings 'Is it too late'?
Comus- from their 1971 'First Utterance' album. Think Jethro Tull with some very macabre twists.
Audience
From their 1970 Friends, friends, friends album
I many more suggestions in a similar vein, and may share them in the very near future.