Led Zep - Celebration Day

Posted by: Calum F on 03 December 2012

I am thinking of buying this, but can anyone say what the SQ is like ?

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Steve C

CD sound is rubbish,Blue ray is slightly better.

BBC is showing an hour of it next Sat

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Ron Brinsdon

I agree with Steve, CD awful but does improve in terms of the "performance" when given a realistic (concert level) volume if possible.

 

Not looking good for the vinyl.

 

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Kevin-W

The CD sound isn't great. The DVD/Blu-Ray sounds OK.

 

But the performance and the music is magnificent and the film is well-directed and edited.

 

For everyone refusing to buy it because of the sound quality, well more fool you. You're missing out. SQ is always of secondary importance to the quality of music and of performance. A great performance always makes a terrible recording worth sitting through.

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:

SQ is always of secondary importance to the quality of music and of performance. A great performance always makes a terrible recording worth sitting through.

But, imho, the CD is so gruesomely bad it does interfere with the performance in this case.  I've some bootlegs that, whilst technically inferior to this badly engineered cd, still convey the immediacy of the event better.  The overwhelming bass and reedy vocal rendering here by contrast disaggregate the music somehow.

 

Their is a great performance in there somewhere....Anyone heard the 24bit hi-res download yet....does it give cause for genuine celebration?  G

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by IanG
I didn't know there was a 24 bit hi res download available. Where can one get it ?
Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Bart

Hdtracks has a 24/48 version available, for those able to access their service.

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Bart:

Hdtracks has a 24/48 version available, for those able to access their service.

quobuz saying not yet available to the UK....GRRR!

 

HDTracks saying not available to the UK......GRRRRRRRR!

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by IanG
Can't believe this wasn't bundled with some of the official release packages. I wonder if we'll get hi res versions with next years planned reissues ?
Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by GraemeH:
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:

SQ is always of secondary importance to the quality of music and of performance. A great performance always makes a terrible recording worth sitting through.

But, imho, the CD is so gruesomely bad it does interfere with the performance in this case.  I've some bootlegs that, whilst technically inferior to this badly engineered cd, still convey the immediacy of the event better.  The overwhelming bass and reedy vocal rendering here by contrast disaggregate the music somehow.

 

Their is a great performance in there somewhere....Anyone heard the 24bit hi-res download yet....does it give cause for genuine celebration?  G

Hi Graham

 

I agree that the CD is very shoddy. In various ways, the three different boots I have of this show are in many respects superior...

 

However, I feel there is a tendency sometimes on this forum to talk about SQ above everything else... what is the point in spending all this money on equipment if it means you never enjoy the music it was presumably bought for in the first place?

 

I listen to the "CD" CD on the little Sony microsystem in my study... it doesn't sound too bad (OK, in fact) on that

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Forester

Another celebration day!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20576466

Perhaps the President has a thought about SQ?

Posted on: 05 December 2012 by TomK

The musical content of this album is so wonderful I can't believe anybody would consider not buying it because a few folk say its sound quality isn't the best. Gruesomely bad? Really? Get out much?

 

My advice is just to buy it and enjoy one of the best live Zep performances ever.

Posted on: 08 December 2012 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by TomK:

The musical content of this album is so wonderful I can't believe anybody would consider not buying it because a few folk say its sound quality isn't the best. Gruesomely bad? Really? Get out much?

 

My advice is just to buy it and enjoy one of the best live Zep performances ever.

+1.

Posted on: 08 December 2012 by FangfossFlyer

BBC2 tonight at 10:45 GMT has a 1 hour programme on the gig.

 

Richard.

Posted on: 09 December 2012 by Bart

We finally listened to some of it (from the cd) tonight at home.  I think it fair to say that my wife and I are huge Zeppelin fans, but not huge fans of their recorded live music.  But we're the same way with almost every band. 

 

We bounced around between various live versions of Misty Mountain Hop and always settled back on the version on IV.   We preferred the 'Bonzo's Birthday' version from the LA Forum in 1973 to the Celebration Day version.  Horses for courses, that's all.  Celebration Day IS well recorded; I have no issue with the sound at all.

Posted on: 09 December 2012 by GraemeH

Neighbours out at church so it's getting a sinfully loud blast this morning.....which helps.  Will definitely try the 24bit when I can get my hands on it.  G

Posted on: 09 December 2012 by FangfossFlyer

Well what I saw on the BBC, or should I say heard, was interesting. The band looked good but the sound balance was poor. 

 

I know i just  heard it through a standard TV but the night before they showed AC-DC at The River Plate concert and the sound quality and balance was noticeably better! 

 

Richard

Posted on: 09 December 2012 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by FangfossFlyer:

Well what I saw on the BBC, or should I say heard, was interesting. The band looked good but the sound balance was poor. 

 

I know i just  heard it through a standard TV but the night before they showed AC-DC at The River Plate concert and the sound quality and balance was noticeably better! 

 

Richard

I caught a bit if the AC/DC concert too.  That audience certainly enjoyed the show!

 

I agree re the LZ, it's the sound balance that is all over the place....better on some tracks than others I'm now noticing though.  This should be fixable by a decent engineer I'd have thought.

 

Oh and TomK, I 'get out' plenty thanks. That's why, when I hear a duff mix, I know it for what it is.  G

Posted on: 09 December 2012 by FangfossFlyer

Yeah, the AC/DC audience were really jumping.....all of them!

 

Incredible.

Posted on: 09 December 2012 by Richard S

I only caught it after The Killing had finished; have to say I thought it was excellent. Jason Bonham was fantastic and filled the chair really well. Wish I'd been more successful in the great ticket lottery. At least Santa might bring me the CD/DVD.

Posted on: 19 December 2012 by maze
Just watching/listening to this from my hard disc recorder, don't sound too bad to me, no worse than most live rock concerts. Volume at 12 0 clock makes the experience much more akin to being there, not quite as good sound wise as the cream reunion concert at Albert hall. Still worth a cd purchase me thinks, I'm with Kevin on this.
Posted on: 19 December 2012 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by maze:
Just watching/listening to this from my hard disc recorder, don't sound too bad to me, no worse than most live rock concerts. Volume at 12 0 clock makes the experience much more akin to being there, not quite as good sound wise as the cream reunion concert at Albert hall. Still worth a cd purchase me thinks, I'm with Kevin on this.

Try Lindsey Buckingham at Bass Performance Hall to hear a really excellent live recording.  Surely Mr Ertegun and LZ deserved this level of attention.  G

Posted on: 19 December 2012 by maze
is the poor sound due to the actual concert on the night not sounding great or after the event during the mastering etc? I have attended some great concerts that were so right sound wise and I have attended some truly awful sounding concerts where all you want to do is get up and leave, so would you say the fault lies on the night of the concert or when the recording is processed? Would be good to hear from someone that was actually there on the night.
Posted on: 19 December 2012 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by maze:
is the poor sound due to the actual concert on the night not sounding great or after the event during the mastering etc? I have attended some great concerts that were so right sound wise and I have attended some truly awful sounding concerts where all you want to do is get up and leave, so would you say the fault lies on the night of the concert or when the recording is processed? Would be good to hear from someone that was actually there on the night.

From what I can remember of the night, Maze, sound on the first two numbers was a bit ropey, but improved immeasurably after that. At the 02 we were quite high up where the sound is a bit echoey and grotty anyway, but the band did a pretty good job filling the arena with sound. I think the problems with the CD (which sounds mushy and compressed) can probably be laid at the feet of the studio engineers and Mr Page. 

Posted on: 19 December 2012 by maze
interesting reply Kevin, large cavernous venues not really built with sound acoustics in mind are surely difficult for any sound engineer to make sound good, reminds me of Bingley hall in brum where symphony hall now stands was truly awful for acoustics. Personally I much order two or three thousand seated venues any day over stadiums, give the hammy odeon any day.
Posted on: 19 December 2012 by James L
I saw Celebration Day at the theatre and thought the mix was fine in that environment.
The credits said Alan Moulder did the 5.1 mix. Alan is certainly one of the best and he's a go-to guy for countless bands. If Alan couldn't fix-it-in-the-mix then no one could!
 
Originally Posted by GraemeH:
Originally Posted by FangfossFlyer:

Well what I saw on the BBC, or should I say heard, was interesting. The band looked good but the sound balance was poor. 

 

 

I agree re the LZ, it's the sound balance that is all over the place....better on some tracks than others I'm now noticing though.  This should be fixable by a decent engineer I'd have thought.