Using a mac mini as a server into ndac.

Posted by: Honeyquince on 03 December 2012

First, an apology for what I fear is the umpteenth time you've probably seen this topic! I did do a search which didn't generate the required answer. So, here goes...

I'm currently re-evaluating my system including the purchase of a new streamer and/or ndac. With this in mind I've noticed that the mac mini is very popular as a streamer (made more attractive to me by its simple control by and ipod touch/ipad).

The question I have is how would I connect it tothe ndac as it doesn't appear to have an optical out. So how is it done? Probably a simple question but one I can't find the answer.

Cheers, Robert
Posted on: 03 December 2012 by james n

Use the audio output port - it's a combined audio / mini Toslink (optical digital) socket.  Use a mini Toslink to Toslink cable to connect the Mini to the Naim DAC.

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Honeyquince
Ahaaa. Brilliant. Thankyou!

All the best,
Robert
Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Phil Cork

I think you'll find that the mac Mimi has better sound quality...

 

Phil

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Guido Fawkes

The Mac Mini has a superb optical out disguised as a headphone jack ... you connect it to the Naim with a Wireworld Supernova 6 glass fiber optic standard TOSlink to mini-TOSlink (3.5mm mini connector) cable (the only other cable I've tried and liked as much is the Mark Grant, but that needs an adaptor) ... it just works. I'm not sure if this qualifies it as a streamer or simply a digital transport, but it is superb whatever ... it won't do 24/192 in that guise - for that you need a hiFace interconnect from M2Tech, but 24/96 is no problem and, of course, ripped CDs. 

 

iTunes + BP is a great player and you can use Apple Remote on an iPad for music with VNC to do other things or a hdmi screen and wireless keyboard if you prefer. 

 

You can add a huge thunderbolt drive if you have got 1000s of albums or just use its internal fusion drive (new model only) if you have less than 1,000.  

 

To improve on Mac Mini/DAC/555PS .. you at looking at very expensive systems. Even without the PSU, it is great source. 

 

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Phil Cork:

I think you'll find that the mac Mimi has better sound quality...

 

Phil

There is only one of those in existence and you have to pay a huge premium for it ... however, I doubt it will ever come on the market. 

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Honeyquince
Thanks for the info. I certainly like the idea that it just works out of the box!
Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Honeyquince
Amazing, a quick browse of the apple mac mini site doesn't seem to mention the optical out. On the image of the back of the mini it labels the audio out as, well, "audio out"!
Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Phil Cork

If you look carefully at the tech spec it does refer to the audio in and out being (digital/analogue).

 

Phil

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Honeyquince
Lol - that'll teach me for browsing on my phone!
Posted on: 03 December 2012 by Maxi Me
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:
Originally Posted by Phil Cork:

I think you'll find that the mac Mimi has better sound quality...

 

Phil

There is only one of those in existence and you have to pay a huge premium for it ... however, I doubt it will ever come on the market. 

Ahh! Mimi. The in-jokes are back, at this rate we'll have to resurrect "sistem" [sic] 

Although I believe Adam had a purge while I was too busy enjoying music to visit the forum very often.

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Honeyquince:
Amazing, a quick browse of the apple mac mini site doesn't seem to mention the optical out. On the image of the back of the mini it labels the audio out as, well, "audio out"!

Describes it thusly...

 

"Audio line out/headphone minijack (digital/analog)"



Yes, not very descriptive.

Posted on: 03 December 2012 by mikapoh
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:

Even without the PSU, it is great source. 

 

+1. I have a Mac Mini optical out using WW Supernova 6 feeding nDAC (bare) and I can tell you the sound is superb & most importantly quite analogue sounding. A very happy user here thanks to Guido's recommendation.

 

 

Posted on: 04 December 2012 by Disposable hero

If you shine a torch light into the jack hole you should see the optical transmitter head reflect light back at you, that's how I confirmed that there was an optical out from a MacBook.

Posted on: 04 December 2012 by naimUnT
I found this thread very interesting and seem to be gravitating this direction too. Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't you need a monitor connected to Mac Mini to control everything? And how or where do you rip the CDs to store in the Mac Mini - via external cd drive? I know that when the files are saved in the mm, you can use a iPhone or iPad to select from the playlist? For those not using the optical out from the mm, can we use cat6 Ethernet from mm to router and then cat6 cable from router to say SuperUniti Ethernet in? Which would sound better - the Toslink route or the Ethernet cable route?
Posted on: 04 December 2012 by charnik

Also itunes will not recognize any pre-ripped collection stored in wav and flac.

Posted on: 04 December 2012 by Guido Fawkes

> Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't you need a monitor connected to Mac Mini to control everything?

 

No you can control it from any VNC client (iPad, MacBook Amiga and a PC) _... however you can connect the Mac Mini to a screen using HDMI and use a wireless keyboard ... I'm thinking of getting a small touch screen

 

You can rip using an external CD drive ... or another computer ... avoid WAV files as they do not handle tags ... best formats to use are AIFF or ALAC. 

 

Yes you could use the Ethernet and Playback, but I wouldn't .... as it requires messing about with UPnP and if that is what you want you'd be better off with a Vortexbox (which does this with aplomb) ... I doubt the difference in sound is great, but I haven't got a SuperUniti to try ... with the Naim DAC is has to be S/PDIF or USB sticks. The Naim DAC is the best Naim digital device I have heard until the NDS and even then I'm not 100% convinced. [I use my UQ with a Vortexbox]. 

 

If you have a pre-ripped collection in FLAC that is no issue as you can use XLD to convert to AIFF or ALAC and install them into iTunes ... 

 

With WAV I don't know, WAV would probably forget all its tag data ... but I avoid it as it tends to be a PC format ... though iTunes will play it - it won't play FLAC, but Decibel will. 

Posted on: 04 December 2012 by pcstockton
Originally Posted by naimUnT:
 For those not using the optical out from the mm, can we use cat6 Ethernet from mm to router and then cat6 cable from router to say SuperUniti Ethernet in?

You will require UPNP server software running on the Mac to use ethernet.