Wagner's operas

Posted by: EJS on 30 December 2012

Hi all, with the bicentennial of Wagner's birth in 2013, thought it'd be fun to share with you some personal reviews and notes of his operas, which I've gathered over the years. Although I listened to and own many recordings, this is not a complete survey. One opera at a time - and we start with a lengthy one:

 

Part 1: Tristan und Isolde

 

Tristan, Wagner's most ambitious and influential opera, is the essence of Schopenhauer set to drama and music. Wagner had become familiar with the work of Schopenhaur and his idea of the world driven by unachievable desires in the mid 1850s, and subsequently started work on an opera devoted entirely to this idea. While working on it, he became involved with Mathilde von Wesendonck, the wife of his then-sponsor (when Wagner's wife found out, this led to one his several exiles). He set five of Mathilde's poems to music, the Wesendonck Lieder, two of which were studies for Tristan and include themes that made it into the Act II love duet and the Act III prelude of the opera. The lead parts of the opera, Tristan (tenor) and Isolde (soprano) are generally regarded to be among the heaviest operatic roles ever written, and have been difficult to cast since the premiere in 1865. 

 

The most famous recording is the 1952 FurtwÄngler - an ambitious and conscious undertaking by Walter Legge to preserve a famous partnership, Ludwig Suthaus, Kirsten Flagstad and Wilhelm Furtwangler. Furt and Legge didn't like one another but set their differences aside. Famously, Legge's wife, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, dubbed in Isolde's high Cs. It's an unmissable recording, but I have to say despite the very capable voices, they do sound a bit long in the tooth. 

 

In 1966, Philips recorded the Tristan live, but one act at a time, under BÖhm, with Birgit Nilsson and Wolfgang Windgassen. BÖhm is fast in an opera that is supposed to be slow, the singers do a great job although Windgassen sounds overparted at times. It's many people's favorite but for me, it misses the essence.

 

There are a number of highly regarded live performances under Karajan, but his first and only studio recording for EMI happened in 1972, with Jon Vickers and Helga Dernesch. Sadly not one of Von K.'s most inspired performances, but his singers are hugely impressive and despite Vickers' dodgy German pronunciation, sound idiomatic. 

 

Early 1980s, Carlos Kleiber and Lenny Bernstein committed their readings to disc. Both are controversial. Kleiber was never happy in the studio and apparently became so distressed with René Kollo's Tristan, he ran out before the sessions were complete and never returned to the studio. DG managed to complete the recording from practice takes. The result is quite special, with a Mozartean touch and sensitive singers - but for this reason, very studio bound. 

 

Bernstein did it live, but like BÖhm, one act at a time to give the singers rest between acts. It's the slowest performance ever recorded - the original CD issue consisted of 5 discs. Hildegard Behrens and Peter Hofmann are committed and have nice voices, but a bit small for the parts. All in all, my personal favorite - it's SLOW but intense, and one of Bernstein's supreme achievements.

 

In 2004, DG released another live performance, under Thielemann. He is good, but his singers aren't memorable. Thomas Moser gives it his best shot, drowns in Act II but is surprisingly good in Act III. Deborah Voigt has a big voice but doesn't really impress at any time. 

 

EMI followed in 2005 with the - for now - most recent studio recording, under Tony Pappano, with Placido Domingo and Nina Stemme. Stemme sounds very good and gives a credible interpretation (she does miss some of the irony in the role, a small thing compared to what is there). Domingo is a big surprise, despite the fact that he was in his 60s at the time of the recording, he sounds very good and up to the task (helped by the engineers, but still). He doesn't sound authentically Wagner, and he is careful - but the performance is quite the achievement. Pappano conducts assuredly, fastish but not hurried. 

 

All in all, many of the recordings have merit and none is ideal. FurtwÄngler and Karajan are generally safe recommendations, as is Pappano if you like Domingo, but I love the Bernstein for its focus. Just the beautifully sustained overture, clocking in at almost 15 minutes, is a work of art.

 

Comments welcome!

 

Cheers,

 

EJ

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by George Fredrik

We don't agree ... Lovely indeed.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by Jono 13

As Woody Allen said...

 

"When I hear Wagner I want to invade Poland"

 

Jono

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by EJS

Let's get back on track: 

 

Just completed a fresh listen to the Bernstein Tristan & Isolde. To start with the negatives first: the live acoustic (no applause, but some minor coughs, saliva dropping etc) favours the orchestra to the point where the singers, who already have a tough time with Bernstein's drawn out tempi, are ocasionally at the verge of drowning. Hildegard Behrens - even at her prime, such as here - was a singer with a magnificent top but no chest voice to speak of, and she occasionally has trouble keeping her line and making herself heard in Act I. By the end of Act II, however, she sounds sung in and from then on, she is on fire. Her Liebestod is riveting listening. Likewise, Peter Hofmann never had great volume, but a gorgeous voice. He stretches a bit, but by and large this is a successful performance. Weikl, Sotin and Minton are all top quartile in their relatively small parts.

 

Bernstein is 'on' throughout. He starts well, and by the time of the great love duet and the last act, when everybody else has come on steam as well, he is superb. One of the best things I have ever heard him do. I secretly wish he had recorded this in the studio, giving his singers more room to breathe. However, there is a sense of danger here, that just doesn't go away after repeated listening. Therefore, highest marks.

 

Cheers,

 

EJ

 

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by alainbil
Originally Posted by Jono 13:

As Woody Allen said...

 

"When I hear Wagner I want to invade Poland"

 

Jono

"When I hear shostakovich I want to invade Poland"

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by Alamanka

Important consideration: is there or not a criminal message included in the music ("Kill da Wabbitt!")?

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by EJS
Originally Posted by Alamanka:

Important consideration: is there or not a criminal message included in the music ("Kill da Wabbitt!")?

After years of rumors, Chuck Jones eventually admitted that he made the text up.

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by Alamanka

I know this was supposed to be a sophisticated Wagnerian thread, but since we went through Bug's Bunny, I feel a little bit more relaxed about asking basic questions:

 

a) Why did we start with Tristan und Isolde?

 

b) Maybe a better question: in which order are we going to review these operas and why?

 

c) I know we have a full year ahead of us, but how much time are we going to spend on T&I before we move to the next one?

 

In other words, please can we talk a little bit about the overall project? Thanks.

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by VladtheImpala

Although I have contributed somewhat to the jocularity above, I am very interested in this thread.

 

I'm a relative ignoramus on classical music, particularly Wagner's operas, but I'm enjoying being educated by those above who are clearly much more expert. I hope they will continue to enlighten me and any others who are less confident with this composer.

 

Please can we have a truce regarding the morals and ethics of composers and concentrate on the music?

 

And why are we starting with Tristan und Isolde???

 

Regards,

Vlad

Posted on: 03 January 2013 by George Fredrik

After this post, I promise not to say one more word on the subject - on this thread!

 

Happy New Year from George

Posted on: 04 January 2013 by EJS

The only reason I started with Tristan is because Kuma raised a question in the other thread. No particular order, no particular time frame in mind. I'm into the Ring now so Das Rheingold could be next, but open to suggestions. If we run out of Wagner operas before year end, it's also Verdi year so we can continue with him. 

 

Cheers,

 

EJ

Posted on: 04 January 2013 by Komet
Originally Posted by Jono 13:

As Woody Allen said...

 

"When I hear Wagner I want to invade Poland"

 

Jono

     

Posted on: 04 January 2013 by AndyPat

Tried first part of first act of Tristan und Isolde this afternoon. Not an opera fan but hearing it after reading EJ's posts I did start to pick up on the emotion. I'll persevere, German isn't really the softest language, so won't come easily. 

 

But if it's good enough for the Crane boys it deserves a shot.

 

Now if we get onto Verdi I already like the language so I'm half way there. Keep going EJ.

 

Andy

 

(When I hear Woody Allen I want to get any children well away from him. People in glasshouses and all that)

Posted on: 04 January 2013 by Alamanka

Listened to the entire Parsifal.

Conductor Herbert Von Karajan with the Berliner Philarmoniker; singers Peter Hofmann, Dunja Vejzovic, Kurt Moll, Jose van Dam; Deutsche Grammophon, digital recording 1981.

 

In my humble opinion, Karajan makes a great director for Wagner.  With his affinity for contrasts, spectacular effects and total orchestral involvement, I had the feeling he was in tune with the artistic intentions of the composer. I connected with this Parsifal, much more than I did with Tristan und Isolde. Parsifal is closer to the popular image that people who do not know Wagner have of his work. Sometimes, when listening to T&I, I had the impression to hear some contemporary piece. Dissonance was a word coming to mind. Not so with Parsifal.

 

Hollywood composers continue to shamelessly copy and borrow from Wagner's work. In the last act of Parsifal, I distinctly recognized some of the musical effects used in the soundtrack of Avatar. I had enjoyed it without knowing it was coming from the old master.

 

Posted on: 06 January 2013 by kuma

 

So, whilst I am still waiting for Böhm and Lenny set of T&I, I decided to give orchestra version of some Wagner's opera. There are no vocals included on this Kubelik recordings. I wasn't too nuts about his direction on Schumann and Brahms symphonies in the past but he's excellent with Wagner's music, I think. No vocals but these tunes are pretty graphic and pictorial. ( tone poems? )

 

Included in this album are: 

A1   Siegfried-Idyll  

A2   Lohengrin, Prelude (Act I)  

B1   Die Meistersinger Von Nürnberg (The Mastersingers of Nuremberg), Prelude  

B2   Tristan Und Isolde, Prelude (Act 1) And Isoldes Liebestod

 

Siegfried-Idyll gives sweet flowy melody line with a touch of sadness. There isn't much drama throughout and Kubelik gives somewhat of a generic rendition. Big and lush landscape is all I can figure out.

 

Lohengrin Prelude starts out with a finelined string whisper then the horns join in. Creates a feel of dawn. A fresh start. Delicate Strings carry the most of story telling. Kubelik builds it up to the dramatic finale then the score ends with a whisper. A nice touch.

 

Nürnberg Prelude begins with a grandeur fanfare. Kubelik maintains a strolling tempo but it's big and grand, a sort of fees I expect from a Wagner program.

 

And finally  the contrasting Tristan und Isolde Prelude is all dark and gloom. Sense of hopelessness and despair. A bitter sweet beautiful melody. It has many repeated easily recognizable chords and melody lines. A slow build for the Leibestod is just a great tear jerker.

 

I could see Lenny schmultzing up on the finale.

Posted on: 06 January 2013 by kuma
Originally Posted by Alamanka:
Hollywood composers continue to shamelessly copy and borrow from Wagner's work. In the last act of Parsifal, I distinctly recognized some of the musical effects used in the soundtrack of Avatar. I had enjoyed it without knowing it was coming from the old master.



There are a few bars in Brahm's Piano Concerto where I thought John Williams had the 'A-ha' moment!

Posted on: 07 January 2013 by VladtheImpala

It would seem that I already have the Bohm (1966?) Tristan und Isolde lurking in the un-ripped CD pile. Also arrived today the Bohm ring cycle (1966/67?) purchased on the cheap (£32 on 14 CD's!) from an on-line store known to the tax office. See - my morals and ethics have been corrupted just by association!

 

Hope to get a bit of listening in at the weekend.

 

Happy New Year to all,

Vlad

 

PS There are a few web sites devoted to Wagner operas e.g. (for info only):

http://www.wagneropera.net/Rec...mmendations-2008.htm

 

Posted on: 07 January 2013 by kuma
That's the same Böhm set in vinyl is on its way.

Reading the Wagner Opera site, it certainly had a lot of awards and accolades.

Meanwhile, I hope to give Toscanini's Parsifal a listen again. I bought an EMI Testament and listened to it once a long time ago.
Posted on: 14 January 2013 by kuma



Ok. So this is a Tristan und Isolde 'Highlight' vinyl with Böhm with following excerpts from the full blown version.


A1   Act 1: Prelude 
A2   O Sink Hernieder, Nacht Der Liebe (Liebesduett II. Akt: Isolde-Tristan) 
A3   Einsam Wachend In Der Nacht (Brangänes Ruf II. Akt, 2. Szene)
B1   So Stürben Wir, Um Ungetrennt (Love Duet-Conclusion) 
B2   Act 3: Prelude  [4:15]
B3   O Wonne! Nein! Er Regt Sich, Er Lebt! (Tristan's Dream III. Akt, 1. Szene: Tristan-Kurwenal) 
B4   Mild Und Leise Wie Er Lächelt (Isoldes Liebestod)

The only tunes I was familiar prior to listening is the Act 1 Prelude and Isolde Liebestod.

 

Act 1 Prelude takes a walking tempo with an ellegant large sweeping tidal wave. EJS mensions earlier that this is fast for opera but the orchestra versions I have heard is much faster than this!

 

I am not certain how to judge vocals but  both the soprano and tenor sound a bit upright lacking warmth. Nilsson's voice gets slightly hardened at upper register. The idea of voice as an instrument is still a hard concept for me to grasp at times, I much prefer the music without their  voices or lyrics.


Particularly at the duet, it turns into a screaming match in that I had an urge to yell out 'STFU'.  I certainly can do without Nilsson's hard voice on Isolde Liebestod. Orchestra sounds spotty and doesn't have the usual flow, there either. Not sure if this is intentional to accommodate the soprano. 


I am a complete novice but I had a much easier time with Mozart operas ( Böhm conducting also ) than this piece. If their voices were rounder and warmer, it would be much easier to listen. Otherwise, I got a better drama from Toscanini or Kubelik's orchestration without any voices.


Let's see what Lenny's Tristan is like.


A tough nut to crack, I'm sure and this wasn't it.



Posted on: 16 January 2013 by yeti42

There's a live relay from the MET of Parsifal on the 2nd of March at 12pm ET to cinemas all over the place, if you can't reach an opera house.

"http://www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/liveinhd/live-in-hd-schedule.aspx"

Still not as good as being there and marred by the insistence on interviewing the performers during the interval (which brings things down to earth too much) but a damned sight cheaper.

 

Audio is all very well and a good way to get to your bearings in a 5 hour opera but a whole opera of just the audio in one go is doing it the hard way, it's supposed to be "music theatre" not just music, the theatre makes sense of the music and vice versa.

 

Kuma do you have an opera house within range?

Posted on: 16 January 2013 by kuma

Sure.

 

But I'd need to familiarize myself with the tunes and the performer. 

 

Otherwise it would be a wasted time and money.

Posted on: 16 January 2013 by Jay Coleman

I am a big fan of the Solti Ring cycle on Decca -- vinyl, of course, preferably a wide-band original English pressing.

Posted on: 16 January 2013 by EJS

The Ring's going to be next, I'm working on it but it's taking a bit of time. I'll include the following complete Rings: Keilberth, Solti, Karajan, Levine and Haitink, all of which I've listened to in the past year or so and have on the shelf. Will also briefly remark on Furtwangler / RAI, Barenboim, the incomplete Dohnanyi, Böhm, Boulez and Thielemann - most of which I do not have but have listened to in the past. If there are suggestions to include other recordings (Krauss, Sawallisch, Janowski?), happy to do so but I'd have to find those recordings first.

 

Cheers,

 

EJ

Posted on: 16 January 2013 by kuma

 

My mate loved the Ring but hated vocals. I remember seeing this CD around the house.

 

Is this any good strictly from orchestra performance? 

Or you don't rate it cuz there is no voice included?

Posted on: 17 January 2013 by EJS
Originally Posted by kuma:

 

My mate loved the Ring but hated vocals. I remember seeing this CD around the house.

 

Is this any good strictly from orchestra performance? 

Or you don't rate it cuz there is no voice included?

Don't know it - I love voice so if I want bleeding chunks I'm more likely to pick a recital disc but this could be good, as well

 

Cheers,

 

EJ

Posted on: 20 January 2013 by VladtheImpala

This week, I've been listening to the Bohm live Tristan und Isolde from 1966(?) on CD.

 

I'm not familiar at all with Wagner's operas. My preference in opera is for Mozart, Puccini, Verdi i.e. fairly "vanilla" and a liking for a hummable melody! 

 

Please bear in mind that my comments below are from someone who is only just starting out in classical music - clearly, I'm no expert and I'm unlikely to bring you any insight which has eluded them!

 

SQ on the 3-CD set is warm and eminently listenable for a recording of this age. There's little audience or stage noise and what there is doesn't really intrude. I detect a bit of instability in the horn section, particularly in the Act 1 prelude.

 

I have read elsewhere that this opera was written during a break in writing the Ring cycle, so I'm expecting some stylistic similarities.

 

The opera is in three Acts, each beginning with a prelude. Those who do not enjoy the singing may find some enjoyment from the Preludes alone.

 

With the other composers I mention above, the arias, with which we are most familiar, are regular and frequent interludes in the performance. These are often linked by a semi-spoken recitative or musical theme.

 

Not so here - the Preludes introduce a musical theme which is expanded upon in the respective Act. There are themes (more like melodic fragments to me) introduced which identify a charachter, object, idea etc. I would recommend listening with the synopsis close to hand!

 

Each of the Acts is a long (50+ mins), near-continuous piece of music. A device is used where the musical conclusion (e.g. a return to a home key or other formal conclusion) is deferred. While this creates some dramatic tension, I found it pretty annoying. With Mozart, you'll get a brilliant tune every 5 - 10 minutes! I also found that I couldn't retain the melody lines in my mind for very long after listening.

 

Which brings me to the orchestra and singers. The demands on the orchestra are large, but nowhere near those on the singers. There are long periods where only 2 or 3 singers perform. They must do this over wave after wave of the orchestra playing near-flat out - a formidable acheivement of volume and stamina. I think the singers here, particularly Wolfgang Windgassen and Birgit Nilsson in the title roles, are marvellous.

 

I feel that there is much I'm missing after a first listen and it is clear that I don't yet understand the musical language used in this opera. There is enough in it, for me, to make it worth a repeated effort - unlike the poor fellow on another thread who has 11 CD's worth of Shostakovich to get through!

 

Regards,

Vlad