Wagner's operas

Posted by: EJS on 30 December 2012

Hi all, with the bicentennial of Wagner's birth in 2013, thought it'd be fun to share with you some personal reviews and notes of his operas, which I've gathered over the years. Although I listened to and own many recordings, this is not a complete survey. One opera at a time - and we start with a lengthy one:

 

Part 1: Tristan und Isolde

 

Tristan, Wagner's most ambitious and influential opera, is the essence of Schopenhauer set to drama and music. Wagner had become familiar with the work of Schopenhaur and his idea of the world driven by unachievable desires in the mid 1850s, and subsequently started work on an opera devoted entirely to this idea. While working on it, he became involved with Mathilde von Wesendonck, the wife of his then-sponsor (when Wagner's wife found out, this led to one his several exiles). He set five of Mathilde's poems to music, the Wesendonck Lieder, two of which were studies for Tristan and include themes that made it into the Act II love duet and the Act III prelude of the opera. The lead parts of the opera, Tristan (tenor) and Isolde (soprano) are generally regarded to be among the heaviest operatic roles ever written, and have been difficult to cast since the premiere in 1865. 

 

The most famous recording is the 1952 FurtwÄngler - an ambitious and conscious undertaking by Walter Legge to preserve a famous partnership, Ludwig Suthaus, Kirsten Flagstad and Wilhelm Furtwangler. Furt and Legge didn't like one another but set their differences aside. Famously, Legge's wife, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, dubbed in Isolde's high Cs. It's an unmissable recording, but I have to say despite the very capable voices, they do sound a bit long in the tooth. 

 

In 1966, Philips recorded the Tristan live, but one act at a time, under BÖhm, with Birgit Nilsson and Wolfgang Windgassen. BÖhm is fast in an opera that is supposed to be slow, the singers do a great job although Windgassen sounds overparted at times. It's many people's favorite but for me, it misses the essence.

 

There are a number of highly regarded live performances under Karajan, but his first and only studio recording for EMI happened in 1972, with Jon Vickers and Helga Dernesch. Sadly not one of Von K.'s most inspired performances, but his singers are hugely impressive and despite Vickers' dodgy German pronunciation, sound idiomatic. 

 

Early 1980s, Carlos Kleiber and Lenny Bernstein committed their readings to disc. Both are controversial. Kleiber was never happy in the studio and apparently became so distressed with René Kollo's Tristan, he ran out before the sessions were complete and never returned to the studio. DG managed to complete the recording from practice takes. The result is quite special, with a Mozartean touch and sensitive singers - but for this reason, very studio bound. 

 

Bernstein did it live, but like BÖhm, one act at a time to give the singers rest between acts. It's the slowest performance ever recorded - the original CD issue consisted of 5 discs. Hildegard Behrens and Peter Hofmann are committed and have nice voices, but a bit small for the parts. All in all, my personal favorite - it's SLOW but intense, and one of Bernstein's supreme achievements.

 

In 2004, DG released another live performance, under Thielemann. He is good, but his singers aren't memorable. Thomas Moser gives it his best shot, drowns in Act II but is surprisingly good in Act III. Deborah Voigt has a big voice but doesn't really impress at any time. 

 

EMI followed in 2005 with the - for now - most recent studio recording, under Tony Pappano, with Placido Domingo and Nina Stemme. Stemme sounds very good and gives a credible interpretation (she does miss some of the irony in the role, a small thing compared to what is there). Domingo is a big surprise, despite the fact that he was in his 60s at the time of the recording, he sounds very good and up to the task (helped by the engineers, but still). He doesn't sound authentically Wagner, and he is careful - but the performance is quite the achievement. Pappano conducts assuredly, fastish but not hurried. 

 

All in all, many of the recordings have merit and none is ideal. FurtwÄngler and Karajan are generally safe recommendations, as is Pappano if you like Domingo, but I love the Bernstein for its focus. Just the beautifully sustained overture, clocking in at almost 15 minutes, is a work of art.

 

Comments welcome!

 

Cheers,

 

EJ

Posted on: 20 January 2013 by kuma

vlad,

 

Shosty is like AC/DC. Where all you need is one album: Back in Black.

 

Well, I am about to embark on listening to a full opera as Lenny's Tristan und Isolde vinyl finally arrived. Wish me luck.

Posted on: 20 January 2013 by pt109

And witch Shosty's work do you suggest Kuma?

Posted on: 20 January 2013 by VladtheImpala

Kuma,

 

Shostakovich sounds like an academic exercise taken way too far to me. 

 

Best of luck with the Bernstein. I need to listen to the Bohm a few times more - I'm not getting it yet.

Posted on: 20 January 2013 by George Fredrik

Vlad,

 

You are wrong about Dimitri S being academic too far. Try this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlMHjo7Jwhk

 

Second Piano concerto - slow movement.

 

Romantic, yes, and yet a brief look at the harmonies and working out show a Bach-like application of the form of music employed for the most emotive of results.

 

Try also the Fifth Symphony ... I am not a great lover of the music DS, but there are times when he can shake the soul just as much as Tchaikowski, or Prokofiev, let alone JS Bach or Haydn ...

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 20 January 2013 by pt109
Originally Posted by George Fredrik:

... but there are times when he can shake the soul just as much as Tchaikowski, or Prokofiev, let alone JS Bach or Haydn ...

 

ATB from George

Agreed!

Posted on: 20 January 2013 by kuma
 

Originally Posted by pt109: And witch Shosty's work do you suggest Kuma?

pt109,

 

I haven't listened to ALL of his symphonies, but if i have to cherry pick, I'd take the ones Toscanini directed which are No.1 and No. 7.

 

I've a few with Mravinsky/Lenningrad which is majestic but can't take a lot of those as after a while they all seem to run on the same theme.

 

Shosty's work is something I need to revisit after I made enough dent on Romantic era music. I actually prefer his smaller pieces. There's a Piano Quartet that sounds like a deranged Bach with a dash of Bernard Herman phycho shreak. I can not take too much of his neurosis but in a small dose, it can be more interesting than his bigger work.

 

Posted on: 20 January 2013 by kuma
 

Originally Posted by VladtheImpala:

Best of luck with the Bernstein. I need to listen to the Bohm a few times more - I'm not getting it yet.

Thanks Vlad.

 

One thing I have to say.. these early digital Phillips vinyl sound fantastic!

 

Dead quiet surface with life like voices. It helps. 

Posted on: 21 January 2013 by VladtheImpala
Originally Posted by George Fredrik:

Vlad,

 

You are wrong about Dimitri S being academic too far. Try this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlMHjo7Jwhk

 

Second Piano concerto - slow movement.

 

Romantic, yes, and yet a brief look at the harmonies and working out show a Bach-like application of the form of music employed for the most emotive of results.

 

Try also the Fifth Symphony ... I am not a great lover of the music DS, but there are times when he can shake the soul just as much as Tchaikowski, or Prokofiev, let alone JS Bach or Haydn ...

 

ATB from George

George,

 

Difficult to reply with my foot so firmly wedged in my mouth. Humble apologies!

 

Thank you very much for posting the link. Quite a beautiful central, slow movement - sparingly scored, simple and direct, light on dissonance but most of all heartfelt. I must check out the other movements. Does anyone have a recording recommendation?

 

Vlad (mostly eating humble pie)

Posted on: 21 January 2013 by kuma

 

Sounds good on Impex reissue vinyl.

Posted on: 21 January 2013 by George Fredrik

Dear Vlad,

 

No humble pie to eat as far as I am concerned, but I love to share my favourite music when occasion arises!

 

The outer movements are there of course also on youtube, and it is a pretty good performance.

 

I discovered this music by playing in an orchestral performance of the work. It removed the scales from my eyes regarding the fearsome reputation of Shostakovitch for me, just like Nobelissima Visione by the usually fairly awkward Hindemith. I used to play double bass as a freelance, and teach the instrument ...

 

But then I know some fairly un-Beethoven-like Beethoven such as music he wrote for the Mandolin, and great fun it is!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by yeti42

 

I have 3 audio only recording of Tristan, this one on vinyl

Karajan and the Berlin Phil with Vickers and Dernesch

 

and these on CD

 

Both the above seem to be studio recordings though it doesn't say so on the Karajan.

 

 

This one is recorded live at a concert performance at the Barbican and of the 3 I prefer this one by some margin, it draws you in somehow whereas you have to listen to the other two.

 

I've seen it live twice, the first time at the English National Opera 10 years ago sung in English. Prior to this I'd never listened to the whole opera all the way through but this didn't restrict my enjoyment. I find I have a need to follow the plot with opera to get the most out of it and listening to the recordings is more rewarding once I know what is going on.

My second Tristan was the National Welsh opera on tour in Oxford, a few years later and sung in German, a language I don't understand more than a few words of but it does fit the music much better and I prefer this to the translated version, surtitles do help however.

 

By the way if anyone thinks they may want to go to Bayreuth one day start applying for tickets now it was ten years before I was successful (Parsifal last year). It really is the best acoustics for opera allowing the singers to project clearly over an orchestral sound which though clear and powerful doesn't swamp them. The seats are not as uncomfortable as rumoured either and I used no additional padding.

The festival itself is still busy coming to terms with the Nazi period and the grounds are strewn with memorials to all sorts of singers and musicians who were persecuted under that regime. 

 

On Shostakovitch try the 8th symphony.

 

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by kuma

yeti42,

 

I am envious you've been to Bayreuth.

 

Even if I didn't understand the opera, it would probably worth it just for the historical purpose.

 

How do you rate Solti's Tristan?

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by VladtheImpala
Originally Posted by George Fredrik:

Dear Vlad,

 

No humble pie to eat as far as I am concerned, but I love to share my favourite music when occasion arises!

 

The outer movements are there of course also on youtube, and it is a pretty good performance.

 

I discovered this music by playing in an orchestral performance of the work. It removed the scales from my eyes regarding the fearsome reputation of Shostakovitch for me, just like Nobelissima Visione by the usually fairly awkward Hindemith. I used to play double bass as a freelance, and teach the instrument ...

 

But then I know some fairly un-Beethoven-like Beethoven such as music he wrote for the Mandolin, and great fun it is!

 

ATB from George

George,

 

On the contrary - I was wrong. This is one of those rare occasions where I've actually learned something from it!

Had a listen to the two outer movements as well via YouTube - I think I'll be adding it to my wish list.

 

Vlad

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by George Fredrik

Dear Vlad,

 

I have often learned something here! You are very kind, and that concerto is lovely on any level.

 

You are encouraging me to start posting lots in here again.

 

Next weekend, I think! 

 

Favourite Concertos!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by VladtheImpala
Originally Posted by George Fredrik:

Dear Vlad,

 

I have often learned something here! You are very kind, and that concerto is lovely on any level.

 

You are encouraging me to start posting lots in here again.

 

Next weekend, I think! 

 

Favourite Concertos!

 

ATB from George

I look forward to it! Oddly enough, I was listening to Mozart's Violin Concertos 3 & 5 during the commute earlier.

 

Vlad

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by fasterbyelan
Originally Posted by kuma:

 

Sounds good on Impex reissue vinyl.

 

Agree - Impex are doing some good work. This also happens to be one of my fav piano concerto (Shostakovich).

 

Regards,

 

Karl

Posted on: 22 January 2013 by fasterbyelan
Originally Posted by VladtheImpala:

Kuma,

 

Shostakovich sounds like an academic exercise taken way too far to me. 

 

 

Try his String Quartets - Fitzwillam Quartet on Decca recommended (on vinyl, superb SQ as well).

 

Karl

Posted on: 23 January 2013 by naim_nymph

Purchased this 16xLP box-set a few years ago and left it to gather dust on the shelf.

But after reading this thread, decided to wheel-barrow it over to my record cleaning machine.

These records are very thin, just under 110grams on my dodgy kitching scales!

All in mint condition from what i see, probably not been played before, the date 1973 on the label but i don't know if that's when the records were made or the recording?

 

The Libretto is all in German : (

 

Will give the Das Rheingold LP's a play on Saturday evening, with a bottle of Italian merlot,

that's as near to Germany my wine list gets : )

 

Debs

Posted on: 23 January 2013 by fasterbyelan
Originally Posted by VladtheImpala:

 

Thank you very much for posting the link. Quite a beautiful central, slow movement - sparingly scored, simple and direct, light on dissonance but most of all heartfelt. I must check out the other movements. Does anyone have a recording recommendation?

 

Vlad (mostly eating humble pie)

Dmitri Alexeev on Classics for Pleasure was my first recommendation for a long time, still available on CD  This was available originally on vinyl in the ‘80’s.  I now normally listen to the version by Hamelin on Hyperion along with the Bernstein version on CBS (Impex re-issue).

 

I would like to hear the Ogden version on EMI, any comments on this performance anyone?

 

Karl

 

PS And yes, the second movement is wonderful!

Posted on: 26 January 2013 by yeti42

Sorry Kuma,no Solti Tristan, only the Ring and for a long time it was the only recording of the Ring I had so it's something of a reference point to me. I find the recording quality excellent and the performance only lacks a little for not being live. I have a Furtwangler Walkure from La Scala which has the edge for dramatic performance but vastly inferior sound quality. My other Ring set is the Goodall Ring in English which is a superb performance but suffer a bit in the translation.

 

Off to see John Tomlinson in The Minotaur (Birtwistle) this evening at Covent Garden, an opera I only know from reviews, though there is a DVD available I've not seen it.

Posted on: 03 February 2013 by kuma

Finally managed to listen to the Bernstein/

Bayerischen Rundfunks vinyl set.

 

This is a well-balanced Philips early digital recording. Low noise and it has a very little distortion altho the voices at upper register can get stressed a bit. A decent low end weight. Beautifully produced heart stopping dynamics and scale. I think this is well worth seeking vinyl copies. ( I bet my money this is a high res. digital file on vinyl ) Or maybe I got really lucky on the vinyl lottery.


There is a note about this recording in the liner notes. 


Apparently Bernstein wanted to record the live performance but to ease the demands on the performers, it was decided to record concert performances with the symphony Orchestra and Chorus of the Bayerische Rundfunk in Munich, and act at a time with a few months in between. The dress rehearsal and two performances of each act would be recorded and followed ( if necessary) by two days of remarks and corrections. This way it'll still have the excitement of live performances but with a better studio sound quality.


As EJS mentions early on this thread in his comments, Bernstein takes on a much slower tempo than Böhm. Bernstein's approach is very visual. Opening of Prelude Act I reminds me of a slow pan on camera often used in a film. Witnessing the story unfold with a sense of mysterious air. Overwhelming anticipation and uncertainty in that hushed silence. It's remarkable that he was able to keep tention for the entire segment.

One of the most moving and extremely vivid musical opening.

 

The first tenor sounds afar. Good spot lit vocals with a sense of presence and stage. Lenny does well building on the excitement and drama in spite the slow tempo. Soprano has a sweeter voice than Nilsson with more vibrant resonance around it. Lenny's score feels more integral with the voices and has an impecable timing. Rhythmic and puctuation alomst like one of his West Side Story tunes. This might be the most lyrical Lenny I have ever heard! Recurring Tristan Theme is haunting throughout. Vocals get a bit monotonous in the middle section but enough good scores inbetween that makes it worthwhile.

 

The slow tempo doen't bother me at all. This score alone kept me in suspense. I started to read the lyrics but I found that more distracting. I don't have to know every words the singers are saying as those translations are corny at best.

 

It's about the human emotion so no words are necessary. His music played in these records communicate just as well.


This is the first time I listened to this opera in its own entire form and I must say it does test my patience at times but thanks EJS for mentioning this record. 


I have experienced one of the great performance.


As EJ, highly recommended!


I can't wait to hear Esa-Pekka Salonen's Tristan at the end of this month. Now Lenny's set gives me a reference point.

Posted on: 03 February 2013 by EJS
Originally Posted by kuma:

Finally managed to listen to the Bernstein/

Bayerischen Rundfunks vinyl set.

 

This is a well-balanced Philips early digital recording. Low noise and it has a very little distortion altho the voices at upper register can get stressed a bit. A decent low end weight. Beautifully produced heart stopping dynamics and scale. I think this is well worth seeking vinyl copies. ( I bet my money this is a high res. digital file on vinyl ) Or maybe I got really lucky on the vinyl lottery.


There is a note about this recording in the liner notes. 


Apparently Bernstein wanted to record the live performance but to ease the demands on the performers, it was decided to record concert performances with the symphony Orchestra and Chorus of the Bayerische Rundfunk in Munich, and act at a time with a few months in between. The dress rehearsal and two performances of each act would be recorded and followed ( if necessary) by two days of remarks and corrections. This way it'll still have the excitement of live performances but with a better studio sound quality.


As EJS mentions early on this thread in his comments, Bernstein takes on a much slower tempo than Böhm. Bernstein's approach is very visual. Opening of Prelude Act I reminds me of a slow pan on camera often used in a film. Witnessing the story unfold with a sense of mysterious air. Overwhelming anticipation and uncertainty in that hushed silence. It's remarkable that he was able to keep tention for the entire segment.

One of the most moving and extremely vivid musical opening.

 

The first tenor sounds afar. Good spot lit vocals with a sense of presence and stage. Lenny does well building on the excitement and drama in spite the slow tempo. Soprano has a sweeter voice than Nilsson with more vibrant resonance around it. Lenny's score feels more integral with the voices and has an impecable timing. Rhythmic and puctuation alomst like one of his West Side Story tunes. This might be the most lyrical Lenny I have ever heard! Recurring Tristan Theme is haunting throughout. Vocals get a bit monotonous in the middle section but enough good scores inbetween that makes it worthwhile.

 

The slow tempo doen't bother me at all. This score alone kept me in suspense. I started to read the lyrics but I found that more distracting. I don't have to know every words the singers are saying as those translations are corny at best.

 

It's about the human emotion so no words are necessary. His music played in these records communicate just as well.


This is the first time I listened to this opera in its own entire form and I must say it does test my patience at times but thanks EJS for mentioning this record. 


I have experienced one of the great performance.


As EJ, highly recommended!


I can't wait to hear Esa-Pekka Salonen's Tristan at the end of this month. Now Lenny's set gives me a reference point.

Kuma, glad to be of assistance. Never said it was going to be an easy sit but there is something uniquely intense about this performance that makes it through the speakers. 

 

Cheers,

 

EJ

Posted on: 03 February 2013 by kuma

It's interesting to read about Böhm commenting on Bernstein's Prelude:

 

'For the first time somebody dares to perform the music as Wagner wrote it. The rest of us never dared to!'

Posted on: 03 February 2013 by EJS
Originally Posted by kuma:

It's interesting to read about Böhm commenting on Bernstein's Prelude:

 

'For the first time somebody dares to perform the music as Wagner wrote it. The rest of us never dared to!'

Kuma, I recall that's part of the Bernstein set liner notes - but there was also that lifelong rivalry with Karajan... who was pretty slow himself . But let's not be cynical: in any case, Bernstein pulled it off and Karajan (barely) didn't.

 

EJ

Posted on: 04 February 2013 by kuma

Yes. 

 

Karajan +co. always provide a luxurious 1st class accommodation, but not very adventurous or exciting.

 

I think Lenny has matured towards the end of his career. And the performances away from NYP, I find, tend to be more thought provoking interesting.