Diabetes

Mista H,

From a medical perspective you are a fool to yourself if you ignore your diabetes. The effects could be, in time, heart and peripheral vascular disease leading to heart attack and possible amputation of the limbs, peripheral neuropathy, blindness etc etc. Diabetes is not to be ignored, these side effects are not uncommon, I see them every day. If you properly control it with diet, drugs or insulin you can expect to live a normal healthy life. Ignore it at your peril!!!

Steve

Mista

Bear in mind that a significant percentage of Type 2 diabetics will need insulin eventually anyway, even with perfectly good observance of diet etc. Not that you might not be able to do better of course, but don't take all the blame! Diabetes worsens with age, although at a variable rate for different individuals.

Insulin should not be seen as a last resort either. Sure it never seems tempting but insulin may give you better control than you have ever had (which means less risk as well as less symptoms) less side effects (because you can stop a lot of the tablets) and often more flexibility too. If I had diabetes needing a significant level of medication I would go on insulin as a preference.

I would ask for a check in a few months again if your levels are high, not another year by the way. The blood test we use can give an estimate of approximately the last 3/12 of your sugars, If you don't already do it Also consider self-testing so you can have more information day to day too. It does not suit everyone but may help you. Discuss it with your GP or diabetes specialist nurse.

Bruce

I too have type II diabetes.  Have known for about seven years.

Luckily I am able to control it with diet at the moment.

A couple of years ago my blood readings (cholesterol and long-term sugar level) were creeping up.

I have brought them down again by buying a cross-trainer machine and running on it for a quarter of an hour every morning.  I have also lost half a stone.

I know this illness is vary variable, but I would strongly recommend this approach.  So far it is working for me.  I am still able to enjoy too much beer and a few sweets.

Don, damp downtown York.

Type II here too. My control with pills is good as regards levels and kidney fuctions etc.

My weight and girth is why I get nagged at by the nurse. A more rigid exercise programme is on the cards.

I'm a hospital consultant.

My stepdaughter is Type1 so I know it can be difficult to live with diabetes. She became diabetic suddenly in her late '20s and found it difficult to change her habits like drinking. Now she has 2 children she's finding it easier. I deal with patients with the complications of diabetes every day at work and a lot of these can be reduced with sensible control. 

Look after yourself mistah.

Steve

I'm a GP. I have a specialist interest in diabetes.

Diabetes UK have excellent for advice on DM and its treatment etc.

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/?gc...-OzrQCFWbKtAod9RIA-A

Bruce

Mista

As well as being a fool to yourself, you are also creating an unnecessary drain on NHS resources. 

They have better things to do and more deserving things to sort out than wasting their time treating idiots who create their own problems.

Go on a diet, do more exercise and stop being a self inflicted burden on the health service. Diabities is prolific due to the recent increase in obesity. Fat people are usually either stupid, lazy or ill disciplined.

I am prepared to bet good money you are overweight and if you are, then it is all your own fault. You are no different from a smoker complaining about lung cancer.

Statistically you have a higher than average chance of going blind or having your legs chopped off in old age, so your approach is hardly intelligent.

So it is all down to you to correct your condition, not an overworked doctor or nurse.

Regards

Mick

A good friend of mine needed to have his leg amputated two years ago because of something so complicated and difficult to comprehend that I didn't understand it then and cannot remember it now.

However, in his ward EVERY person apart from Greg who was having an amputation was there because of Diabetes. Every one.

In the way that no-one would possibly smoke after seeing/hearing a lung cancer ward, I resolved then to have nothing but respect for a condition that until that point had largely been just an adjective in my vocabulary. Mercifully it does not apply to me - not yet anyway - but if it did I would heed all the professional advice I could get.

You have my sympathy (you do at least have Mick's 'regards'). And I can thoroughly recommend exercise as being great for loads of things including depression, and the allowance of beer'n'cheese consumption without putting on the pounds.

Bon chance.

Mick

In fairness much of what you say is true for a large proportion of the diabetic population but not exclusively. Fit skinny abstemient people still can get Type 2 diabetes, usually as a courtesy of a positive family history.

I have high blood pressure, and I'm as fit as the proverbial carnivorous cannine!

Bruce

A new year but the same old bigot. Why can't every one be perfect like him? 

Twunt

Greatly diminish your consumption of starch and sugar.  And avoid HFCS like the plague; in the USA it is in everything. 

And whatever you do, don't follow the dietary recommendations of the American Diabetic Association, which are more designed to promote medication use (check out their list of corporate sponsors; reads like a Who's Who of Big Pharma) than to help Type 2 diabetics make dietary choices that will improve their condition.

You can find some very good tips (from someone who's lived it) on living drug-free with diabetes on a man named Steve Cooksey's web site; diabetes-warrior.net.  (Corporate sponsors: zero)

AN OPEN QUESTION TO ONE AND ALL

Some of you know this Parry chap quite well.

My question is does he just have it in for me,in which case i wont sleep tonite with worry,or does he like having a pop at loadsa  people?

Mista H

Mick is an asset to the forum, but he has fotrthright views so don't feel in the slightest bit singled out!

Bruce

Sorry Mista H - "High Fructose Corn Syrup" - sometimes attempted to be hidden in the ingredients list as "corn sugar", but I believe the FDA decreed that no longer would be permissible...your location may have different rules.

Mista H

I sympathise. Several members of my family suffer from diabetes. None of them are fat.

Also, don't let that other guy get you down.  Life is full of minor hazards, such as BO on the Tube, litter, and pirate radio stations cutting into Radio 4 at odd moments. Mick Parry's increasingly idiotic (but thankfully also increasingly infrequent) posts are just another of life's little hazards, albeit one exclusive to the Naim Forum.

Parry's problem is that he is a clapped-out old blimp who, judging from his posts, has spent most of his life in Swindon, making money from such beastly activities as procurement and buy-to-let accommodation. No wonder he's so embittered.

He used to be a "big noise" on this forum a decade ago, but he got found out and people started ignoring him or giving as good as they got, and he started flouncing off like a big girl's blouse whenever the thought he wasn't getting the "respect" he thought he "deserved". Nowadays he seems to post once a month or so, usually something banal, pointless or just plain nasty - often a combination of all three.

Perhaps one day he will actually make a positive and useful contribution to this forum, but until then, just ignore him. He's certainly not worth getting upset over.

If people want to start a thread called 'having a go at each other by leaping to unreasonable assumptions' perhaps they could do so, and maybe not destroy a thread about a serious subject with personal insults?

Bruce

May be not , but that was a really good post.

Mista

To answer your last question - No I don't have it in for you, to be frank I hardly ever log in here now a days so I don't even remember your name. However if I have upset you, then I apologise.

To be fair, you said this in you opening statement

"Just been for my yearly checkup today and been given a right old rollocking by my nurse. Told my blood sugar levels are far to high and that if i dont sort myself out PDQ its daily insulin injections"

So you were given a right old rollicking by a nurse, so you are obviously not doing what she has told you to do, so is there an element of self inflicted injury.

I have two diabetic friends, both have a bloody awful lifestyle and one of them is seriously worried about losing his legs.  It's almost literally a case of watching a good friend committ suicide. I will be honest I gave him a good rollicking in the pub a few weeks ago pointing out if he snuffs it prematurely, he leaves a widow and 2 kids as well as grandchildren, who will no longer have him around.

I was doing the same thing to you. On a forum like this you will get bucket loads of sympathy to the point that you will could quite easily end up feeling sorry for yourself but often a blunt word has a better effect.

Anyway, once again my apologies if you felt got at, it was not intended.

Regards

Mick

Hello Mick

Thank you for a very constructive post. I half accept what you say but TBH she has never in the past told me not to do this or dont do that. I think some of the blame must rest on my shoulders as i have never felt the need to research Diabetes on the net,the reason for this being i feel completely normal and dont have any aches or pains whatsoever. Likewise i am also being treated for cancer at present which looks like it may have come back,but again i feel 100% fine.

I have made up my mind to cut down on my sugar intake. As of yesterday i have decided to cut out puddings,chocolates,biscuits etc and will even be switching from stnd orange juice in the morning to freshly squeezed which i understand contains only natural sugars. I am also switching to Canderel in hot drinks.

I would be most interested to hear from other posters as to what food products they leave out of their diets

Cheers

Mista H