Transport for ripping to Mac Mini

Posted by: Honeyquince on 31 January 2013

Hi there,

 

Probably a silly question but for those of you that are using recent mac minis that have no built in DVD Rom, what do you use for an external transport? Is it just a case of any old USB2 DVD Rom or is there more thought involved in the choice of transport. I'm thinking that lossless ripping software should keep the transport in check but is this the case? Is any DVD Rom from a reputable dealer fine or are some better than others?

 

Thanks for helping me to fine tune my choices (current wishlist is as follows: Mac Mini, ipad as controller, Airport Extreme, NDAC, Hicap & as yet unspecified Headphone Amp all to feed into NAC72, NAP150 & ATC SCM40's). I know that the NAP150 struggles at higher volumes into the ATC's but where would the fun be without opportunities to upgrade in the future!

 

Many thanks,

Robert

 

Posted on: 31 January 2013 by winkyincanada

We've had no problems with Apple's own external DVD/CD drive. Someone on here did pan it a while back, though. All mechanical devices like this have a limited life, but as you use it only once per CD (total), it gets a lot less use than the drive in a regular CD player.

Posted on: 31 January 2013 by Honeyquince

Aha - thank you. I hadn't spotted the USB SuperDrive and had begun to think that Apple no longer supplied them. That seems to be an obvious choice if only for matching easthetics. Typically for apple it seems to retail at more than double the price of an 'equivalent' Samsung model.

 

Robert

Posted on: 31 January 2013 by Lorenz

Hi Robert,

 

I recently had "the pleasure" ripping 496 CD-ROMs using 2 Apple SuperDrives and one "old-school" and "full-size" USB/FireWire CD/DVD device. Approximately 10% of the CDs failed when importing via the very, very tiny SuperDrive. All of the worked fine using that old Lacie drive.

 

Therefore – my suggestion: look for something "robust"... 

 

Rumors are that some of these ooooooooooold CD-ROM (ONLY!!!) devices are the very, very best for importing :-)

 

Cheers,

 

Lorenz

Posted on: 31 January 2013 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Lorenz:

... 496 CD-ROMs using 2 Apple SuperDrives ....Approximately 10% of the CDs failed when importing via the very, very tiny SuperDrive......

 

Wow. We've imported around 100 since getting the Superdrive about a year ago and not had a single one fail to rip first try. Very different error rates to your experience of 10%. In fact, I don't think I have ever had a CD fail to rip in any drive I've used over the years.

Posted on: 31 January 2013 by Lorenz

@winkyincanada

 

That was a looooong weekend which I used to re-rip all my CD-ROMs (ALAC) – guess my error rate is a bit "high" because some of the CDs are quite old (20 years plus) and some might even have one or the other scatch – still the "old school" drive proofed to be much more fault tolerant.

 

Cheers,

 

Lorenz

Posted on: 31 January 2013 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Honeyquince:

Aha - thank you. I hadn't spotted the USB SuperDrive and had begun to think that Apple no longer supplied them. That seems to be an obvious choice if only for matching easthetics. Typically for apple it seems to retail at more than double the price of an 'equivalent' Samsung model.

 

Robert

Rearrange for well known phrase or saying "Pole Barge Touch It With I Wouldn't". I always use Apple kit unless there is a good reason not to. I would go for a Samsung SE-506BB External BD Writer ... 100% Mac compatible and reads and writes just about anything (only SACDs leave it perplexed and that is because Sony were stupid with SACD copyright). 

Posted on: 31 January 2013 by spartacus

I have a Mac Mini, one just before they removed the superdrive. The drive was noisy but didn't fail to rip any CD's. I took it back and they swapped the whole MacMini since then I have ripped my 2500+ CD's. only 6 failed to rip five of which are CD ROMS and the 6th wouldn't play in a CD player.

 

Not bad going in my opinion and it has ripped 5 CD's this week.

 

Honeyquince, if you're not bothered about aesthetics, I suggest that you go for the Samsung as your paying a premium for Apple. 

Posted on: 01 February 2013 by Honeyquince
Thanks guys. I'll probably end up with a samsung economy model and see how I go knowing that a replacement is pretty cheap were I to need one.
Posted on: 01 February 2013 by Guido Fawkes

My comment was purely about the external Apple drive, the internal slot loaded ones have never let me down. The Samsung i recommended is a high quality drive, not a cheap as chips one. 

Posted on: 01 February 2013 by Bart
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:
Originally Posted by Honeyquince:

Aha - thank you. I hadn't spotted the USB SuperDrive and had begun to think that Apple no longer supplied them. That seems to be an obvious choice if only for matching easthetics. Typically for apple it seems to retail at more than double the price of an 'equivalent' Samsung model.

 

Robert

Rearrange for well known phrase or saying "Pole Barge Touch It With I Wouldn't". I always use Apple kit unless there is a good reason not to. I would go for a Samsung SE-506BB External BD Writer ... 100% Mac compatible and reads and writes just about anything (only SACDs leave it perplexed and that is because Sony were stupid with SACD copyright). 

The Mini supports USB 3.0, as does my Macbook Pro, so I'll be looking for a usb 3.0 compatible drive.

 

(I think . . . not entirely sure whether the bus speed is the limiting factor when ripping!)

Posted on: 01 February 2013 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Bart:
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:
Originally Posted by Honeyquince:

Aha - thank you. I hadn't spotted the USB SuperDrive and had begun to think that Apple no longer supplied them. That seems to be an obvious choice if only for matching easthetics. Typically for apple it seems to retail at more than double the price of an 'equivalent' Samsung model.

 

Robert

Rearrange for well known phrase or saying "Pole Barge Touch It With I Wouldn't". I always use Apple kit unless there is a good reason not to. I would go for a Samsung SE-506BB External BD Writer ... 100% Mac compatible and reads and writes just about anything (only SACDs leave it perplexed and that is because Sony were stupid with SACD copyright). 

The Mini supports USB 3.0, as does my Macbook Pro, so I'll be looking for a usb 3.0 compatible drive.

 

(I think . . . not entirely sure whether the bus speed is the limiting factor when ripping!)

I'm no expert but... I would think it is not an issue. USB 2.0 looks just fine. At around 35MB/sec it can transfer a 700MB+ CD in around 20-30 seconds. The CD can't be read that fast, so the USB speed isn't a constraint.

Posted on: 01 February 2013 by Honeyquince
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:

       

My comment was purely about the external Apple drive, the internal slot loaded ones have never let me down. The Samsung i recommended is a high quality drive, not a cheap as chips one. 


       


I had a look at the samsung you reccomended which is not too much more than the apple drive. It would mean tho that my ripping drive is higher specked than my lowly dvd player that I use with my tv lol!.
Posted on: 01 February 2013 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:

My comment was purely about the external Apple drive, the internal slot loaded ones have never let me down.

My slot loader on my MBP failed after 3 years but our external (Apple) one is going just fine. We now have three machines without CD/DVD drives in our house (MBP, Mini and MBAir) so it gets swapped around a little bit.

Posted on: 01 February 2013 by Guido Fawkes

Winky I'm delighted yours works so well ... perhaps I've just been unlucky. 

Posted on: 01 February 2013 by Bart

The slot loader on my old (now 7 yrs old) MBP still works fine, although it did not get a ton of use in those 7 yrs.

 

Winky, thanks.  Your math wins out; the bus speed is far from the rate-limiting step when ripping audio cd's to lossless.

Posted on: 01 February 2013 by Guido Fawkes

> The slot loader on my old (now 7 yrs old) MBP still works fine

 

+1 after XLD ripping 3,000 CDs 


I think quite a few people wrote to Apple about the external SuperDrive, it wouldn't surprised me if they had fixed the problems without making a song and dance about it. It is just those Samsung ones are just so reliable (unlike their hard disks, but that is another story). Sorry, we use lots of this kit at work so I get to form an opinion on that bit of kit never lets us down, but that does. I like things that just work - less headaches for my colleagues and me. 

Posted on: 09 February 2013 by Jude2012
I am thinking of the Mac mini route and intend on getting the current version as the prices I've seen of 2011 versions with the built in SuperDrive are not much different.

With this is in mind, if the files are ripped using another mac and then copied to the mini, will it affect the quality of the file.  Sorry of the this possibly naive/paranoid question.
Posted on: 09 February 2013 by Guido Fawkes

Absolutely not ... You can rip on any Mac and copy them to any other computer you like. Unless one of the computers is broken (unlikely) then they will be 100% the same. 

 

So you could rip them with XLD and make the target a USB stick and then insert this on your Mac Mini and drop the files on iTunes and it'll just work. Or you could file share the iTunes directory on the Mac Mini over the network and get XLD to rip straight to iTunes on your Mac Mini ... Point I'm making is you'll end up with perfect ripped files doing it almost any way that suits. 

 

Rip to AiFF unless yiu are tight on space in which case choose ALAC.

Posted on: 09 February 2013 by mudwolf

dayam I didn't know a mini had a CD component.  I want a mini to keep my classical separate from my rock, jazz and soul.  Off to the store.

Posted on: 09 February 2013 by mudwolf

have done some research, with the mini supporting the new thunderbolt cable why don't they offer that on it with Blu-ray capability?  Maybe later, I have a few Bluray's I'd like to load on my HD.

Posted on: 09 February 2013 by Guido Fawkes

Samsung drive is superb and does Blu Ray, DVD, CD and works really will with a Mac Mini. You don't need to Thunderbolt an optical drive, it is more for displays, hdd and ssd ... would be a great interface for the forthcoming Naim reference DAC.  

Posted on: 10 February 2013 by Jude2012
Thanks Guido, really helpful information, as always. 

BTW, is the jitter performance of the latest version of the mini acceptable?
Posted on: 10 February 2013 by Guido Fawkes

Yes it is very low ...