Naim Exodus? What's going on?

Posted by: Tony2011 on 26 February 2013

Why are so  many members "having a break" lately?

Is it due to changes in the Hardware/sofware dept or they just cannot accept Naim has change its "commercial" direction as some might feel? Maybe something else?

The forum is not the same and its a shame.

Where have all those spirited characters gone?

KR

Tony

 

 

 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by csl

It is possilble that some people are eventually worn down by the seemingly endless strokefest that is in constant display among a few overly verbose contributors. 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by DrMark

Jason - in my case, I'm not so much shy as I am too ugly.

 

You would really see an exodus then...

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Jasonf:
Originally Posted by GraemeH:
Originally Posted by Jasonf:

My only minor gripe with members is why can't you use your real faces? It would be so much more personal and potentially friendly......hmmmmmm? Is it just a matter of "why should I" or a genuine fear of identity theft, which would be a little paranoid IMO. Or maybe you are just shy

That is my real face.  Most of the time.  G

Aghast or in constant disbelief?

 

Jason 

When someone makes me listen to something other than Naim. G

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by George Fredrik

"... endless strokefest ..."


That made me smile! So long as the Forum can muster something as smile-inducing as this, it will be worthwhile to read it from time to time!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Steve J

Jason,

 

I started with a pic of my ugly mug for my avatar when I started but soon saw I was in a minority. I now change my avatar depending on my mood. The current on is sack cloth and ashes in penance for being a naughty boy with a certain thread a few weeks ago. I must change it again soon.

 

Steve 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Minigill

Only when you stop being naughty Steve 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Steve J

Moi? 

 

Of the point for a mo'. How's the new RCM? John is probably permanently drunk from the fumes.

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Minigill

He hasn't used it yet on his own!  All mine virtually done, but I don't have many 

 

 

All I need now is some electricity too play the vinyl, problems with my electricity supply, so system is powered down while they boost the voltage and keep plunging me into darkness.

 

 I have high hopes of it sounding like a 500 in there tomorrow 

 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by BigH47

Perhaps some of these are needed, especially in the longer posts to show how the poster is feeling:-

 

 

 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by fixedwheel
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Of the point for a mo'. How's the new RCM? John is probably permanently drunk from the fumes.

 

Originally Posted by Minigill:

He hasn't used it yet on his own!  All mine virtually done, but I don't have many 

Have located storage space, but need to build the table for it. Then will start cleaning some of my newer records first.

 

WIll have to have some windows open, and leave the tealight powered lava lamps off for the duration!!

 

John

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Bert Schurink

I think it has to do with how active and interesting the content is. Initially when I looked at this forum I was mainly interested in upgrade advice and the typical discussions like source first etc.... However at some point in time these type of discussion start turning in circles and only are interesting in case new products are introduced and what the reading is from early adopters.... Like the NDS discussion. But like I mentioned this attractiness is only there at the beginning. 

 

After that you stay because the music discussions will lead you to new paths. Reviews of albums, what people are listening to etc....

 

So my few cents would be that if all would concentrate a bit more on the music - it might become more valuable for all.

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Quad 33
Originally Posted by Bert Schurink:

I think it has to do with how active and interesting the content is. Initially when I looked at this forum I was mainly interested in upgrade advice and the typical discussions like source first etc.... However at some point in time these type of discussion start turning in circles and only are interesting in case new products are introduced and what the reading is from early adopters.... Like the NDS discussion. But like I mentioned this attractiness is only there at the beginning. 

 

After that you stay because the music discussions will lead you to new paths. Reviews of albums, what people are listening to etc....

 

So my few cents would be that if all would concentrate a bit more on the music - it might become more valuable for all.

+1

 

Well said Bert. Music first that is why Stu is sadly missed. Would also like to thank Steve J & Kevin W for there contributions to my enjoyment of this forum.

 

Graham,

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by BigH47
Originally Posted by fixedwheel:
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Of the point for a mo'. How's the new RCM? John is probably permanently drunk from the fumes.

 

Originally Posted by Minigill:

He hasn't used it yet on his own!  All mine virtually done, but I don't have many 

Have located storage space, but need to build the table for it. Then will start cleaning some of my newer records first.

 

WIll have to have some windows open, and leave the tealight powered lava lamps off for the duration!!

 

John

 

Jeez what are using for cleaning fluid? Neat Iso?

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by fixedwheel
Originally Posted by BigH47:
 Jeez what are using for cleaning fluid? Neat Iso?

Have you taken the lid off of the bottle of "The Special One" yet? 

 

John

 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Steve J

From the 'Special One'? 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Don Atkinson

I imagine there's a whole raft of reasons why people stay, or leave, or disappear for a while.

 

For me its mainly workdriven and holidays. They change my daily routine and the absence legacy lingers on for a while. If a topic is particularly interesting I will make a real effort to accomodate some forum time but other aspects of life often dominate. At the moment I'm extra busy at work plus Mrs D is thousands of miles away baby-sitting and skiing. Doesn't leave me much time for music and even less time to browse or contribute to the forum.

 

I do feel that Naim prefer the current benign state of the padded cell forum and the generally insipid (or genteel ?) state of "discussion" about equipment and formats in the other parts of the forum. Its probably less controvertial, less intimidating to new members and possibly more condusive to active participation by a broader spectrum of newer members. OTOH, i'm not entirely convinced that the active membership is as great today as it was say, 10 years ago. Could easily be wrong, just a gut feeling.

 

I can't say i've noticed an "Exodus" in the past week or so, a few perhaps, but not an Exodus. Equally, I haven't noticed an influx of new blood following the showcase opportunity of the Bristol show.

 

Cheers

 

Don

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by fixedwheel
Originally Posted by Steve J:

From the 'Special One'? 

No, from "The Chosen One" 

 

John

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by Donuk

One reason all forums are becoming tiresome is the excessive use of quotes.

To reproduce somebody's contribution maybe covering three inches and then just adding: "Yeah what the man says"  or "+1" is a waste of bandwidth and makes scrolling a chore, and adds nothing.  It can make a thread appear more like a chat-room.

 

Don, downtown York

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by dis

In praise of the Forum..

As a part of my research it has been invaluable to read of real users' experiences. We all demo if possible, the forum just gives another angle.

I use it in the same way as TripAdvisor - taking in all comments and reading between the lines.

I don't see a problem with a new post about a previously discussed topic..Gives an update, allows new users to post etc.  Obviously use Search as well.

 

Sure - there is some dead weight- some comments by the in-crowd better suited to email or Facebook. I just skip -don't expect 100% quality content

Only a couple of minor frustrations though..

Sometimes too much lateral movement in answering questions eg

" Should I invest in a Flatcap"

Wrong answer : " Buy more music instead" (I already buy lots and lots)

One right answer " What about a HiCap instead to futureproof" (I did this - great move)

 

I enjoy the MusicRoom forum.Though most posts aren't about the music I like - I solved this by starting my own thread..

 

Oh, and all credit to Naim for moving forward with the times. I started as a die hard CD user, now listen to twice as much due to UServe purchase (thanks in part to the forum)? New DacV1 - not my thing, but will help to keep the company alive..

 

Whew - a long post typing with 2 fingers. A scorcher here - hot sun, clear sky - need to change my avatar to suit

Cheers

dis

 

 

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by BigH47
Originally Posted by Donuk:

One reason all forums are becoming tiresome is the excessive use of quotes.

To reproduce somebody's contribution maybe covering three inches and then just adding: "Yeah what the man says"  or "+1" is a waste of bandwidth and makes scrolling a chore, and adds nothing.  It can make a thread appear more like a chat-room.

 

Don, downtown York

Is it not a chat room? Or do you think all posts just live in isolation. Classic case in point is this post if I had just responded it would not make any sense as dis' post was in between.

 

What could be done is pictures and maybe some of the text of a quoted post can easily be removed so that the precious bandwidth can be preserved, and also make the postings slightly easier to read.

Posted on: 27 February 2013 by dis

Donuk +1.0

My rambling post addressed a number of previous posts - thank goodness I didn't quote each one..

Posted on: 28 February 2013 by Adam Meredith
Originally Posted by BigH47:
Originally Posted by Donuk:

One reason all forums are becoming tiresome is the excessive use of quotes............

I.......... Classic case in point is this post if I had just responded it would not make any sense as dis' post was in between.

What could be done is pictures and maybe some of the text of a quoted post can easily be removed ....., and also make the postings slightly easier to read.

"Not exactly a Rule BUT: -

Please try the "FIND" facility (try various combinations of 'key words' from your query) before posting your query.


The forum has been going for a long time now and most questions will have been asked before - some many, many times.

 

Also -
Please, when answering, consider whether you really HAVE to quote.
If you do - please edit the quote to keep it as short and relevant as possible."

 

When I was moderating I would occasionally trim quotes on posts.

 

The poster, or hair-trigger barrack room lawyer, would then get excited about the alert "Last edited by Adam Meredith" and cry censorship ........ and then mention 'In Julian's time....'.

 

I blame to almost universal misuse of the apostrophe. People these day's ain't got no education.

 

Posted on: 28 February 2013 by fixedwheel
Originally Posted by Adam Meredith:
When I was moderating I would occasionally trim quotes on posts.

 

The poster, or hair-trigger barrack room lawyer, would then get excited about the alert "Last edited by Adam Meredith" and cry censorship ........ and then mention 'In Julian's time....'.

I always though a more appropriate tag-line to discourage repeat offenders would be

 

Last edited by Adam Meredith, posting etiquette education supplied with a clue-by-four. Repeatedly.

 

John

Posted on: 28 February 2013 by Adam Meredith
"Questions about Rack/Stand's (Isolation and Organisation)"
 

Nice to welcome music-loving grocer's BUT what is this, what is this?

 
"152xs with NAP250,s Active into SBL,s"
 
Posted on: 28 February 2013 by Donuk

I am not against putting quotes in replies.  I often do it myself.  It is important IMHO, as Adam used to do, to trim quotations to make them relevant to your reply.  Just enough for the reader to know what you are talking about in the context of the thread.  And repeating images can rarely be defended: a total waste of bandwidth.

 

The object also should be to make the text interesting and non-repetitive.  Which is why I find it tiresome when contributors quote a contribution in full and simply add a "me-too" suffix.

 

I have belonged for a number of years to a professional photographers' forum (Prodig) which is run on an e mail basis.  It insists in trimmed quotations and forbids unqualified subjective contributions.  It is very successful and a joy to read.

 

Each to his own, but I do not want to belong to a forum that approximates to a chat-room.  The result of this can be (and is frequently visible on the Linn and Naim forums) that a few regular contributors, who frequently know each other socially, use the forum for social exchanges and personal asides.  This may indeed be the reason some people leave this forum, I do not know.  People who do not know many other members of this forum ( I know two ) can at times feel they are shouting over the in-crowd (or the 500 club as somebody once cynically called them.)

 

I have no right to expect any of my wishes for how the forum is used to be accepted by other members.  But there is the slight possibility that I am not totally alone in my views.  And people who find the forum does not meet their expectations may move on.

 

Don sunny downtown York