Naim Exodus? What's going on?
Posted by: Tony2011 on 26 February 2013
Why are so many members "having a break" lately?
Is it due to changes in the Hardware/sofware dept or they just cannot accept Naim has change its "commercial" direction as some might feel? Maybe something else?
The forum is not the same and its a shame.
Where have all those spirited characters gone?
KR
Tony
I am not against putting quotes in replies. I often do it myself. It is important IMHO, as Adam used to do, to trim quotations to make them relevant to your reply. Just enough for the reader to know what you are talking about in the context of the thread. And repeating images can rarely be defended: a total waste of bandwidth.
The object also should be to make the text interesting and non-repetitive. Which is why I find it tiresome when contributors quote a contribution in full and simply add a "me-too" suffix.
I have belonged for a number of years to a professional photographers' forum (Prodig) which is run on an e mail basis. It insists in trimmed quotations and forbids unqualified subjective contributions. It is very successful and a joy to read.
Each to his own, but I do not want to belong to a forum that approximates to a chat-room. The result of this can be (and is frequently visible on the Linn and Naim forums) that a few regular contributors, who frequently know each other socially, use the forum for social exchanges and personal asides. This may indeed be the reason some people leave this forum, I do not know. People who do not know many other members of this forum ( I know two ) can at times feel they are shouting over the in-crowd (or the 500 club as somebody once cynically called them.)
I have no right to expect any of my wishes for how the forum is used to be accepted by other members. But there is the slight possibility that I am not totally alone in my views. And people who find the forum does not meet their expectations may move on.
Don sunny downtown York
+ 1. LOL. Etc.
(I will now administer a ritual self-flagellation - not necessarily as a punishment)
Chaps
There will always be a new inflow into fora and there will always be those who stop contributing. That is a rule of nature and it is healthy.
My own view is that after about 5 years, a prolific contributor seems to attract more moans than someone who is new, so it is the internets way of saying - bugger off, you have outstayed your welcome.
Looking at it another way, would the forum be healthy, if all the regulars from the nineties were still here saying the same old stuff with the same old opinions.
You often find old posters seem desperate to say anything and the standard of discussion is purile. They just post for the sake of it. The new guys are more topical and their postings are refreshing because they have the enthusiasm and energy of youth.
I still lurk every day but I have the sense to accept that I am well past my sell by date, so I limit my appearances and I think thats best. Fresh blood is healthy, old repeat artists are dull. The new guys enjoy contributing, I enjoy reading what they say because it is new. That is healthy and as it should be.
Regards
Mick
John.
Business as usual, then?
From serious comments to a little banter, all is well in Naimland.
Why are so many members "having a break" lately?
Is it due to changes in the Hardware/sofware dept or they just cannot accept Naim has change its "commercial" direction as some might feel? Maybe something else?
The forum is not the same and its a shame.
Where have all those spirited characters gone?
KR
Tony
Don't worry Tony, I've just been a bit busy, but now I'm back.
All is well in ForumLand.
Since the very first Naim forum we have over the years had some very prolific contributors, there just comes a time to move on maybe, simple
Paul is being EXTREMELY kind . . .
I've been a member since the "good ol' days." I think the direction of the forums has generally been a positive one. I've had the good fortune to have owned a wide range of Naim and other gear, from the original Nait up through 52/250s to active SBLs, as well as to have been able to tap the experience and meticulousness of people like Chris Koster, Rick Duplisea, and others.
At this point, however, I think hifi in general (from whatever source) has reached a kind of summit - companies will be able to continue to make improvements, but they will be of the incremental variety. The reason, I think, is that companies that push the edge are against simple physical limitations. A loudspeaker has to be a certain size to reproduce frequencies of a certain wavelength, and an amplifier has to have a sufficiently large power supply to make that speaker move enough air to reproduce those frequencies, and so on. For example, while the 500 is the finest amplifier I've ever heard, it is obviously cut from the same cloth as, say, an olive 250 (or, indeed, a Nait 1). Is a 500 hugely "better?" Of course it is. But it's a quantitative leap as opposed to a qualitative one.
I think the forums have similarly evolved. At this point, there's not a lot of reasonable dispute around what will sound better (although there is a lot of discussion around whether something is "worth" doing ahead of something else!). Hence, some people drift away, having resolved their questions in a manner satisfactory to them. Others, like me, may have life events that take them away for a while. Still others may get impatient with newer folks asking questions that have long since been answered, or not feel like they're getting their just due from other members. Etc.
Sorry.... I've been busy doing some Hi-Fi housekeeping. Unplugging and replugging everything. Adding ferrites to digital leads and some power leads. The ferrites will be an ongoing process as the systems rebalances after the power down.
I might have to go away again for a while to watch the 4th season of Breaking Bad, plus Spiral 4 is on BBC4 tomorrow...
Anyway, TTFN.
I sometimes write '+1...' ............Gosh, I'm sorry........... It must be such a great inconvenience for some to just skip my post.
On the other hand Isn't it allowed to do,
in order that forum members know that the original 'airer' of this view is not alone ?
Also., how can you comment on someone's post if you don't quote the bl.....y quote you are talking about ?
Maybe you can say "Regarding so-and-so's comment....".
But what is more annoying - skipping posts that are not relevant, or paging back to a post someone is referring to ??
Sorry, but moaning on this forum is getting a bit silly (and that's from ME ).
+ 1. LOL. Etc.
(I will now administer a ritual self-flagellation - not necessarily as a punishment)
Adam,. you naught boy................. for posting the original quote, ......AND for the punishment .
Bob Marley.
Exodus: Movement of Jah people! Oh-oh-oh, yea-eah!
.......
Men and people will fight ya down (Tell me why!)
When ya see Jah light. (Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!)
Let me tell you if you're not wrong; (Then, why?)
Everything is all right.
So we gonna walk - all right! - through de roads of creation:
We the generation (Tell me why!)
(Trod through great tribulation) trod through great tribulation.
Exodus, all right! Movement of Jah people!
Oh, yeah! O-oo, yeah! All right!
Exodus: Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
Yeah-yeah-yeah, well!
Uh! Open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied (with the life you're living)? Uh!
We know where we're going, uh!
We know where we're from.
We're leaving Babylon,
We're going to our Father land.
2, 3, 4: Exodus: movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
(Movement of Jah people!) Send us another brother Moses!
(Movement of Jah people!) From across the Red Sea!
(Movement of Jah people!) Send us another brother Moses!
(Movement of Jah people!) From across the Red Sea!
Movement of Jah people!
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/Instrumental break/
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Exodus, all right! Oo-oo-ooh! Oo-ooh!
Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
Exodus!
Exodus! All right!
Exodus! Now, now, now, now!
Exodus!
Exodus! Oh, yea-ea-ea-ea-ea-ea-eah!
Exodus!
Exodus! All right!
Exodus! Uh-uh-uh-uh!
Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!
Open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied with the life you're living?
We know where we're going;
We know where we're from.
We're leaving Babylon, y'all!
We're going to our Father's land.
Exodus, all right! Movement of Jah people!
Exodus: movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!
Jah come to break downpression,
Rule equality,
Wipe away transgression,
Set the captives free.
Exodus, all right, all right!
Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
Exodus: movement of Jah people! Oh, now, now, now, now!
Movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Movement of Jah people!
Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Uh-uh-uh-
Jason
Time for a little Redemption, Bro!
Brosely, surely!
Sorry, but moaning on this forum is getting a bit silly (and that's from ME ).
I don't think your moaning is particularly silly.
Don downtown York
Sorry, but moaning on this forum is getting a bit silly (and that's from ME ).
I don't think your moaning is particularly silly.
Don downtown York
It depends on what I'm drinking when I post