Poll to find the weakest track on DSOTM

Posted by: naim_nymph on 02 March 2013

I'm going to need to play the album though a couple of times today before i make my mind up : )

 

Speak To Me - Is excluded because it's basically a 60+ second intro.

 

Debs

Posted on: 02 March 2013 by BigH47

I never hear it as a series of tracks, it's always been a continuous piece to me, with a break in the pre silver disc days. 

Mind you I can't think of any non sampler albums I don't play all the way through.

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by john101

it's clearly a trick question, as there is no weak track (just like there is no dark side of the moon, as a matter of fact .......)

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by DrMark

+1 to both of the above...

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by FangfossFlyer

Money - the track never sounded right to me....don't know what it is but it just seems out of place.

 

Richard

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by Steve J

Debs you're wasting your time with this poll. People who like this album tend to love it as a whole. IMO it's all good. The same would go for WYWH. However The Wall has never been my favourite Floyd album and thats another story.

 

ATB

 

Steve

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by DrMark
Originally Posted by FangfossFlyer:

Money - the track never sounded right to me....don't know what it is but it just seems out of place.

 

Richard

Interesting bit on Money: they put together the cash register effect loop first; and only afterwards did they realize that it was in 9/4 time, which is why the verses of the song are in 9/4.

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by Andrew Porter

I listen to the album as if it has one track or on vinyl two tracks!

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by FangfossFlyer:

Money - the track never sounded right to me....don't know what it is but it just seems out of place.

 

Richard

+1. It doesn't belong on the album at all.

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by hungryhalibut

While I find it odd that people still bang on about a record that was released 40 years ago, it was a record I grew up with and it's firmly etched in my memory. To me, it is a coherent whole. It's like asking which is your least favourite ingredient in a curry - the cumin, the turmeric, the salt maybe, or perhaps the lentils - if any were left out it just wouldn't be the same.

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by Iron Cobra

Money is actually in 7/8 time, with the guitar solo in 4/4.

If anybody has seen the documentary on the making of DSOTM it explains why Money does belong on the album

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by naim_nymph

It’s fairly obvious that ever since it’s release radio stations have played ‘Money’ far more times than any of the other tracks on the album so people have heard Money far more than the other tracks… and this would account for many people becoming bored and more undeservedly critical of it in view of the rest of the album.

 

I've haven't seem the documentary on the making but always thought Money does very much belong on the album. IMO it's one of the strongest tracks.

 

A couple of Facts:

DSOTM is a 10 track album.

The blurring of one track ending into the next track starting [hardly a new revelation for the age] serves only to distract slightly from the fact that every track does sound different.

 

Debs

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by naim_nymph
Originally Posted by Lord Emsworth:

It's like asking which is your least favourite ingredient in a curry - the cumin, the turmeric, the salt maybe, or perhaps the lentils - if any were left out it just wouldn't be the same.

 

horsemeat?  

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by MDS

Debs

I think Money was released as a single which is why the radio stations played it more than anything else from the album.

 

And, while my 30th Anniversary Edition of DSOTM says it has ten tracks my earlier 20th Anniversary Edition displays only nine on the CDP, and the sleeve notes have Speak To Me as 1a and Breathe as 1b.

MDS  

Posted on: 03 March 2013 by DrMark
Originally Posted by Iron Cobra:

Money is actually in 7/8 time, with the guitar solo in 4/4.

If anybody has seen the documentary on the making of DSOTM it explains why Money does belong on the album

Actually, it is in 7/4 time.  And that was dictated by the cash register sequence - my bad on the 9.

 

Posted on: 04 March 2013 by TomK

It's an entire piece as far as I'm concerned. No tracks.

Posted on: 04 March 2013 by J.N.

Pure heresy Debs. Look out for an angry mob in red costumes.

 

Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.


John.

 

 

 

Posted on: 05 March 2013 by Ron Toolsie

One thing about 'Money' is that it is the opening track of side 2, and as such there was an inevitable break between the last track on side 1 (the climactic Great Gig in the Sky) and Money and in many concept albums there were great pains to decide exactly where to split side one and side two for artistic reasons. I think the cooling off time between GGITS and Money makes the latter a more relevant track. But on the CD things are a little different. It has been said that it is the space between notes that differentiates noise from music. And having them back to back on the CD integrates (to stick to the calculus metaphor) these very different two tracks. 

 

How many of use here know DSoTM best on LP? Me for one. 

Posted on: 05 March 2013 by Bart
Originally Posted by Ron Toolsie:

One thing about 'Money' is that it is the opening track of side 2, and as such there was an inevitable break between the last track on side 1 (the climactic Great Gig in the Sky) and Money and in many concept albums there were great pains to decide exactly where to split side one and side two for artistic reasons. I think the cooling off time between GGITS and Money makes the latter a more relevant track. But on the CD things are a little different. It has been said that it is the space between notes that differentiates noise from music. And having them back to back on the CD integrates (to stick to the calculus metaphor) these very different two tracks. 

 

How many of use here know DSoTM best on LP? Me for one. 

Interesting, and it makes sense -- the break from getting up and flipping the album of course just isn't there in the cd.  It's almost as if albums that were THAT thoughtfully laid out should have a bit of a longer break built in.

 

Abbey Road is another that I vividly recall as an album, even thought I've not played it that way in 30 years.  Well ok the White Album too.  (I've not played vinyl in 30 years but some of these musical memories are so hard-wired into my brain that they'll never fade (I hope!!)) 

Posted on: 05 March 2013 by Disposable hero

Normally I wouldn't remark on things I don't appreciate.. I did try to but still found all of it incredibly boring, is it only me?

 

Now I understand why punk was invented.

Posted on: 05 March 2013 by BigH47
Originally Posted by Disposable hero:

Now I understand why punk was invented.

Tedious noise most of punk, invented for people who had no idea what music was, or how to play it?

Notice not too many posts about the best/worst tracks on NMTB etc?

 

Posted on: 05 March 2013 by Ron Toolsie

Punk was a deliberate counterculture, in which people tried to rise artistically to levels that those far greater had. All it took was a gradual shift in political and cultural climate and the next thing you know the perfectly crafted songs of Abba and Elton John became replaced with the works of ordinarly mortals not demi-god geniuses. For years I loved contempory music, and to this day I can probably remember every single top 40 song from circa 1973-1976. But the dual prong assault of disco in the US and punk in the UK thrust crafted music back into the dark ages. It was not until music was reborn in the 90s with the Seattle based bands did I attempt to listen to contempory music again. There were of course a few rare exceptions. Radiohead comes to mind, as maybe do a few other. But without Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, Alice in Chains et all, the 90s would have been a musical desert. 

Posted on: 05 March 2013 by Disposable hero

A small selection of punk is tedious noise, but many punk fans do understand music to a good degree and any number of key punk musicians did easily create a tight unit for sheer front-end musical energy, excitement and enjoyment. Okay so it weren't formed from the skills and training of prog-type technical brilliance, nevertheless punk churned out some globally recognised classics, NMTB is just one of those.

 

Punk was necessary for that time, it had levels of social and political consciousness way ahead of all pop/ progressive, & hippie has-beens it overthrew.

Personally I don't even listen to NMTB anymore (now overplayed pop), there is a lot more to punk out there than that.

Posted on: 05 March 2013 by Steve J

Ron, that's an excellent explanation. I like Money as a track but I only listen on vinyl and can understand how it might jar when played on CD. It was recorded for vinyl and for me the format works.

 

Steve

Posted on: 06 March 2013 by Bart
Originally Posted by Disposable hero:

 

Now I understand why punk was invented.

Greg Lake chimes in.  "Punk is not a form of music.  It's a fashion statement."

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/mu...n-statement-20130305

Posted on: 07 March 2013 by Disposable hero
Originally Posted by Bart:
Originally Posted by Disposable hero:

 

Now I understand why punk was invented.

"Punk is not a form of music.  It's a fashion statement."

 


Yeah, oddly enough, from the qoute of a prog rock frontman... funny that.

 

In a way he is correct, then on top of that punk rock is a scene, but moreover an accomplished musical form/ genre. There are multiple sources on the history of punk rock from books to movies, if you'd like to enlighten yourself  Even if you hate it, you'll probably find it interesting anyhow. For perhaps the most extreme end of punk rock read Cockney Reject by Jeff 'Stinky' Turner (includes a foreword by Morrissey).

http://www.eastendbabylon.co.u...ney-rejects/the-book