Nstream for Android

Posted by: Reburner on 31 May 2013

Is it coming any time soon?

Posted on: 30 October 2013 by Andrew
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

Hi Guys,

 

Just to reiterate - an Android app is planned however we have no release schedule planned for it - our main development is on the iOS platform as we feel that the iOS platform provides the user experience that we wish to provide for our products.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Technological issues aside, isn't the decision to go with Apple based in part on the marketing ploy of associating Naim's products with another brand with a similar claim to exclusivity? Naim for Bentley? Of course! Naim for Volkswagen? Hardly....

Posted on: 30 October 2013 by Kaver

@CowboyToy, my dealer in Denmark also told me that there would be an Android app ready after the summer holiday in 2012, so you're definitely not the only one who was led to believe an Android app would be available a long time ago

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Richheart
Any time it shows up,  will be after the summer holiday 2012
:-)
Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Salmon Dave

I've also got a £250 Denon streamer which has an Android app ..... 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Jeff Watkins

Phi Harris - our main development is on the iOS platform as we feel that the iOS platform provides the user experience that we wish to provide for our products.

 

The questions is - what experience do your users want

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Simon-in-Suffolk

+1

Just as the SinS household acquires another Android device for a family member.

Luckily we have a  rather dog eared ipad1 for Naim duties.. as long as it keeps going.

Simon

 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by MilesB
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:
Hi Guys,

Just to reiterate - an Android app is planned however we have no release schedule planned for it - our main development is on the iOS platform as we feel that the iOS platform provides the user experience that we wish to provide for our products.

Cheers

Phil


That's a very tenuous position to take. Naim stated as far back as 2011 an Android version was in the works:

https://www.facebook.com/NaimA...ts/10150845786190300

Naim Audio
Hi David, we are looking at Android so don't worry. Quite a few of us here at Naim have Android phones so we are putting pressure on the R&D bods, but it takes time to develop. We had to choose a platform to start developing on first, which was iPhone and we've since moved onto iPad. Next we will move onto non-Apple platforms.
7 October 2011 at 16:40

Asking for something a bit more concrete than "it's planned, but there's no plan" isn't too much to ask for two years later.

If there's not going to be one, why don't you just say so?

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by gert

Me, too, am very disappointed on this android n-stream topic. The problem is not that there is none. The problem is the lack of information. I am waiting since January 2013 for the android app to show up, after naim mentioned it in December 2012 (IIRC). If I had known that there will be no such app in 2013, I already had bought an ipad mini or ipod touch months ago.

 

(Even if I do not want apple in my house, because they do not work fine together with linux that I am using on my PC. itunes is not available for linux. Also itunes does feel so very uncomfortable in my opinion. Very confusing. It is much more simple to just connect the android phone to the PC and dragNdrop files to it. And also from it to the PC! The whole Apple world feels so very unopen. Creating backups is the only really good functionality of itunes.)

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Richheart
I did buy the Mini and use n-stream but I am also happy sometimes using BubbleUPNP on Android. I especially like the volume buttons on my phone directly controlling the Qute
Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Bananahead
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

Hi Guys,

 

Just to reiterate - an Android app is planned however we have no release schedule planned for it - our main development is on the iOS platform as we feel that the iOS platform provides the user experience that we wish to provide for our products.

 

Cheers

 

Phil


Oh dear.

 

 

 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by dave4jazz
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

Hi Guys,

 

Just to reiterate - an Android app is planned however we have no release schedule planned for it - our main development is on the iOS platform as we feel that the iOS platform provides the user experience that we wish to provide for our products.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

And the increasing number of Andriod users will look elsewhere for streaming products:

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/artic...arket-ipad-share.htm

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Pev
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

our main development is on the iOS platform as we feel that the iOS platform provides the user experience that we wish to provide for our products.

 

 

 

I am at a loss to understand this point - I used an iPad for over a month before I purchased an Android tablet. Two reasons why I would not swap it for an iPad are availability of extra storage using SD cards and superior connectivity - e.g. built in HDMI.

 

The only user experience I am missing out on is paying at least 3 times as much for the same functionality!

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Adrian_P

Very disappointing. I bought a Qute2 earlier this year thinking we would get an Android app soon. While I can mostly get away with using Bubble, it isn't flawless and doesn't provide complete control or access to radio.

 

I will not be demoing a streamer for the main system until an Android app appears -- that is the user experience *I* wish for. I will put thoughts of an NDS out of my mind.

 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by kevb

May well put me off buying a naim all in one. Don't want to have to add the cost of some overpriced fashion accessory.

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Kevin Richardson
Do you really think people would rather use inferior audio equipment than NAIM + iPad Mini [~200$].  I mean Naim charges $250 for the remote for the UnitiQute.
 
I dont believe they are losing many sales.
 
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

Hi Guys,

 

Just to reiterate - an Android app is planned however we have no release schedule planned for it - our main development is on the iOS platform as we feel that the iOS platform provides the user experience that we wish to provide for our products.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

And the increasing number of Andriod users will look elsewhere for streaming products:

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/artic...arket-ipad-share.htm

 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Kalius666
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
Do you really think people would rather use inferior audio equipment than NAIM + iPad Mini [~200$].  I mean Naim charges $250 for the remote for the UnitiQute. 

You're right but at the same time it's sad to know that it was told a couple of time that the application will come soon on android but in fact it's not already started... well... it's sad... That doensn't change the fact that naim product are awesome and if i bought a NDS it's not 350$ that will change my mind but an android app would be more than welcome for me.

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Cowboy Tony
Not sure what you base your belief on Kevin, given the opinions expressed here its at least plausible that naim are taking a chance on losing sales by not having an android app when other manufacturers do. Its rare for people to communicate to a company the reasons why they did not buy their product, they simply buy elsewhere. The truth of the matter is that naim simply do not know what potential sales await if they did produce an Android app. All that aside naim (in my opinion) should not have promised something and then not deliver.
 
 
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
I dont believe they are losing many sales.
 
Posted on: 31 October 2013 by MilesB
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
Do you really think people would rather use inferior audio equipment than NAIM + iPad Mini [~200$].  I mean Naim charges $250 for the remote for the UnitiQute.
 
I dont believe they are losing many sales.


Do they really charge $250 for the remote control? That's pretty rude. 

 

For me it's simply the fact I don't want another tablet in my living room. The Uniti is about reducing clutter. I don't want to switch everything else I do with my tablet to an iPad simply for a remote control app.

 

As for competition, Linn is the obvious one that comes to mind. Krell also has a streamer and an Android app. Chord Electronics claims to be developing an Android app, but their position sounds similar to Naim's, i.e. iOS first, maybe Android later. I wouldn't call any of those inferior.

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Kevin Richardson
Just a hunch.  It seems that Naim's target demographic is the union of:
 
1.  People who love music
2.  People with large amounts of discretionary income
3.  People who will eventually buy a $950 power cord
 
If a customer really won't spend the money for an iPad my guess is that they won't buy a PoweLine, HiLine or external power supply either.
 
 
Originally Posted by Cowboy Tony:
Not sure what you base your belief on Kevin, given the opinions expressed here its at least plausible that naim are taking a chance on losing sales by not having an android app when other manufacturers do. Its rare for people to communicate to a company the reasons why they did not buy their product, they simply buy elsewhere. The truth of the matter is that naim simply do not know what potential sales await if they did produce an Android app. All that aside naim (in my opinion) should not have promised something and then not deliver.
 
 
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
I dont believe they are losing many sales.
 

 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Kevin Richardson
I have to believe that your view is shared with a very small minority of the total population.
 
Linn is supposed to be great but the entry prices are much higher than for ~Naim streamers. $9,000 for Akurate vs. $5,300 for NDX.  All Naim has to do is raise their prices by 300$ and bundle an iPad  Mini.
 
Also, the Naim app is [in my opinion] much better than the Linn app.  The app is really what convinced me to buy a Naim streamer.
 
Originally Posted by MilesB:
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
Do you really think people would rather use inferior audio equipment than NAIM + iPad Mini [~200$].  I mean Naim charges $250 for the remote for the UnitiQute.
 
I dont believe they are losing many sales.


Do they really charge $250 for the remote control? That's pretty rude. 

 

For me it's simply the fact I don't want another tablet in my living room. The Uniti is about reducing clutter. I don't want to switch everything else I do with my tablet to an iPad simply for a remote control app.

 

As for competition, Linn is the obvious one that comes to mind. Krell also has a streamer and an Android app. Chord Electronics claims to be developing an Android app, but their position sounds similar to Naim's, i.e. iOS first, maybe Android later. I wouldn't call any of those inferior.

 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by MilesB
My view that I don't want another tablet around just for a remote control? We can agree to disagree on that point.
 
I overstated Krell's support. It looks like their Android app is also 'in the works' as of September.
 
The dealer saying an Android app was on the way definitely factored into my purchasing decision for my Uniti over a Linn Majik DSM. What irks me is Naim's continued insistence they're planning one when they're clearly not. At some point it's false advertising. 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
I have to believe that your view is shared with a very small minority of the total population.
 
Linn is supposed to be great but the entry prices are much higher than for ~Naim streamers. $9,000 for Akurate vs. $5,300 for NDX.  All Naim has to do is raise their prices by 300$ and bundle an iPad  Mini.
 
Also, the Naim app is [in my opinion] much better than the Linn app.  The app is really what convinced me to buy a Naim streamer.
 
Originally Posted by MilesB:
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
Do you really think people would rather use inferior audio equipment than NAIM + iPad Mini [~200$].  I mean Naim charges $250 for the remote for the UnitiQute.
 
I dont believe they are losing many sales.


Do they really charge $250 for the remote control? That's pretty rude. 

 

For me it's simply the fact I don't want another tablet in my living room. The Uniti is about reducing clutter. I don't want to switch everything else I do with my tablet to an iPad simply for a remote control app.

 

As for competition, Linn is the obvious one that comes to mind. Krell also has a streamer and an Android app. Chord Electronics claims to be developing an Android app, but their position sounds similar to Naim's, i.e. iOS first, maybe Android later. I wouldn't call any of those inferior.

 

 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Salmon Dave
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
Just a hunch.  
If a customer really won't spend the money for an iPad my guess is that they won't buy a PoweLine, HiLine or external power supply either.
 

Better take off your hunch.

I've bought Powerlines, Hilines etc over the years but have no intention of buying an i-thing.

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Kevin Richardson
Ok.  We now have two people that have no intention of buying iPads yet still own Naim streamers.
 
Originally Posted by Salmon Dave:
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
Just a hunch.  
If a customer really won't spend the money for an iPad my guess is that they won't buy a PoweLine, HiLine or external power supply either.
 

Better take off your hunch.

I've bought Powerlines, Hilines etc over the years but have no intention of buying an i-thing.

 

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by Pev
Originally Posted by Kevin Richardson:
Ok.  We now have two people that have no intention of buying iPads yet still own Naim streamers.
 
 

Three people (SU + Powerline)

 

Using Bubbleupnp is less of a pain than springing for another tablet so I'm staying with Naim but am very pissed off. Not a huge worry for them I imagine, but I do have faith that they will eventually bring their software infrastructure up to the same level as their excellent hardware so I'm hanging in there. In the meantime they need to know how their lack of delivery is perceived or they will continue in the delusion that their current performance is adequate.

Posted on: 31 October 2013 by dickey

When I bought my Naim kit two years ago, I also bought an Ipad. Just for the remote function. I didn't have a tablet or smartphone back then because I didn't need it.

 

What I think is a bit sad are two things:

- n-stream misses some simple functionality like forward/reverse (for mp3 still missing) and listening to radio while browsing music files. Friends always think it's odd that an expensive system doesn't have those simple features.

- the other thing is: it's just an app for control. It has nothing to do with the quality of the music. How hard can it be? The functionality is already in the streamer, you just need a signal via wifi/ethernet from the control device. Why not outsource it to an app building company? This way Naim can focus on their core business.