The Wheels of Justice
Posted by: JamieWednesday on 24 June 2013
Exactly how many separate trials do you have to go through, and how many offences must you be found guilty of, getting a multi year jail sentence for each, before you do actually go to prison in Italy?
Does't that depend on who you are!?
Does't that depend on who you are!?
What we call 'square wheels of justice'. In the case of Jon Corzine, head of MF Global in the US, they did not even bring charges against him and he was shamelessly talking of plans to run a hedge fund.
Corzine was also involved in the Ivan Boesky thing too - an absolute criminal if ever there was one...and he lives a life of luxury condoned by those who should incarcerate him.
Money [after a certain point] is power over democracy, and power to over-ride justice.
It was ever thus ...
ATB from George
According to the news this morning it's rare to incarcerate anyone over 70.
It does seem Italian justice goes both ways, you are found guilty but you can go thru 2 more higher levels of appeal before the final decision is confirmed.
Then on the other hand, the courts have reversed the not guilty verdict on Amanda Knox & have called a retrial.
Maybe one or two of our Italian forum friends can enlighten us on the technicalities of the Italian legal system that relate to both Berlusconi & Knox . And non-Italians need to keep in mind - like other legal systems around - it is different from the UK or US systems, but that does not mean it’s not justice.
And non-Italians need to keep in mind - like other legal systems around - it is different from the UK or US systems, but that does not mean it’s not justice.
While that is undoubtedly true, the power of money still applies there as everywhere else...
steve
a judgment in which the judges have judged the crime paid by Berlusconi in Italy, is considered abnormal at the offense (to spend time with escort).
Other offenses were judged by less than the crime (murder)
Unfortunately in Italy "there is" a political problem Berlusconi.
Mike-B,I'm one of your Italian friend on the Forum andhere are my two cents.Yes,we have three judgment grades in Italy:the first one is calle "primo grado",the second is "appello" and the last one is "Cassazione".I also think this can't constitute a problem:justice wants to be sure of what it's doing and have different chances to reach the truth.Problem is that justice in Italy takes too much time to end law trial.The other day Europe said Italian justice is the worst as for the time it needs:about one/two year just for "primo grado".I already know this...One example:two years ago an English judge who was proceeding against Restivo(I think you remember that Italian murderer)apologized for being late because Italy asked for the extradition.He took one year or so,and that's a fantastic super fast legal time.We can dream of it.In Italy we have to wait a lot for a judgment and I think that we have different ways to call this,but, please,don't call it justice.Also,we have a very high percentage of cases ending with prescription.You can't anyomore find someone guilty.That's a game over.I've got some relatives in the USA and I know that a judge is paid for his job:not to get to prescription and I think that's fine.In Italy one becomes a judge winning a competitive examination,in the USA they are elected by the people.I'm saying this because an Italian judge can have his political ideas(I think tha's normal)and when he has to judge a political adversary he doesn't loose the chance to send him guilty.I personally don't like Berlusconi,in the past and at the present time,but I try to be objective:some weeks ago judges founded a man guilty because he hided a yound girl's corpse(his wife and daughter were the murderes)and lied to the judges during the Whole legal proceeding.He must stay in prison for eight years,as for Berlusconi for a telrphone call about escorts.Hope this helps.
Ehm..dura lex sed lex.
Humm.. Lex est asinus
Molte grazie Fabio 1, il suo e come pensavo.
The "time" taken to get to a final conclusion does sometimes compare with some cases in UK were we do have the right to appeal to a higher level, but you need to seek permission to do so.
The worse case has to be the ongoing extradition from UK to Jordan since 2005 against a guy called Abu Qatada, he is wanted for terrorism charges in Jordan - his home country.
He is also under worldwide embargo by the UN Security Council for his association (alleged) with Al-Qaeda. He has been regularly imprisoned in UK since 2002 for preaching hatred against UK & “the west” although he has not been prosecuted for any crime.
Between the EU & the UK human rights laws, from 2005 to 2013, he is still in UK - sometimes on bail, sometimes (now) in prison. Now - at last - 8 years later, it seems he might be going home.
Ciao