FLAC metadata

Posted by: The Meerkat on 27 June 2013

I'm trying to sort out the WAV files that are stored on my Qnap NAS, so that I can see all the metadata on my ND5 XS, running the iPad app.

 

I carried out a test, and converted one album from WAV to FLAC using XLD. The FLAC version plays back just fine on the ND5 XS, but there is no artwork, or other album info, just the track names. When I played the WAV version, at least it has a small thumbnail of the album artwork!

 

I thought that converting the WAV files to FLAC would have given me full metadata of the album?

 

Can anyone please give me step by step info, on getting the converted FLAC files to show full metadata...(I used XLD, as this was the only software I could find that worked with a Mac)

 

Many thanks

Posted on: 27 June 2013 by MilesB

You'll need to run a separate program to lookup the metadata and embed it in the FLAC files. I use MusicBrainz Picard.


I know XLD can lookup and embed when ripping a CD, but I've never tried during conversion. I assume the WAV files don't provide enough information to lookup the metadata. MusicBrainz Picard can do matching by scanning the file.

Posted on: 27 June 2013 by Jon Myles

In XLD select open file as Album and then open the folder containing the WAV files.

On XLDs top bar there is an option To Get Metadata - select which database you want to use.

If anything's missing you can add manually. If artwork is missing you can also add it manually to embed in the FLAC file.

Posted on: 27 June 2013 by The Meerkat

Thank you, I'll try that.

Posted on: 27 June 2013 by The Meerkat

Jon

 

'Open File as album' is not an option in XLD. just Open...,Open Raw PCM Bit+Cue, Open folder as disc, Open audio cd, Open recent.

 

David

Posted on: 27 June 2013 by RaceTripper
Originally Posted by The Meerkat:

Jon

 

'Open File as album' is not an option in XLD. just Open...,Open Raw PCM Bit+Cue, Open folder as disc, Open audio cd, Open recent.

 

David

 

"Open Folder as Disc" is what you want. 

Posted on: 27 June 2013 by Jon Myles

Sorry....I should have said 'As disc'.

I was away from my computer when I posted.

Posted on: 28 June 2013 by The Meerkat

Hi Jon, and thank you.

 

It did work, but wasn't sure whether or not to do the conversion from WAV to FLAC first, then the metadata, or the other way round.

 

I noticed that if I convert it first, it puts the FLAC version in the same folder as the WAV, so you have the album twice, in FLAC and WAV. The other way round puts the new FLAC files all over my Desktop?

 

I am a total novice at this, as you can tell

 

More importantly though, the album shows up on my iPad with all the tracks in a different order to the original?

 

I just want to add...I am using the Twonky server which is pre installed on my Qnap NAS. I'm told that they're not the best server in the world.

 

Any ideas?

Posted on: 28 June 2013 by Jon Myles

Hi

 

You're getting there.

In terms of where the new FLAC files are saved: When you open XLD go to preferences on the menu bar. Then you will see a pane showing various parameters. One is output directory. It can be Same (meaning into the same one the Wav files are in) or Specify.

I a specify one myself. Either a new one on the NAS or create one on the Mac desktop and then copy over to the NAS.

It's up to you.

You'll also see there an Output Format option - which you could experiement with later when you're confident.

Posted on: 28 June 2013 by RaceTripper
Originally Posted by The Meerkat:

Hi Jon, and thank you.

 

It did work, but wasn't sure whether or not to do the conversion from WAV to FLAC first, then the metadata, or the other way round.

 

I noticed that if I convert it first, it puts the FLAC version in the same folder as the WAV, so you have the album twice, in FLAC and WAV. The other way round puts the new FLAC files all over my Desktop?

 

I am a total novice at this, as you can tell

 

More importantly though, the album shows up on my iPad with all the tracks in a different order to the original?

 

I just want to add...I am using the Twonky server which is pre installed on my Qnap NAS. I'm told that they're not the best server in the world.

 

Any ideas?

 

Under the General settings in the Preferences dialog, you can control where the files are output for any kind of conversion. There are two choices: "Same as input" which puts the output files with the input files, as you noted, and there is "Specify" where you select the output directory using the "Set" button.

Posted on: 28 June 2013 by Jon Myles

As an add.

In terms of different order on iPad.

What parameter are you looking under?

Twonky orders things differently depending on how you look.

Try looking under Album/Artist - think you'll find tracks are in right order there.

 

Hope this is helping.

 

Jon

Posted on: 28 June 2013 by Jon Myles

Ah Race

 

You beat me too it!

Posted on: 28 June 2013 by RaceTripper
Originally Posted by Jon Myles:

As an add.

In terms of different order on iPad.

What parameter are you looking under?

Twonky orders things differently depending on how you look.

Try looking under Album/Artist - think you'll find tracks are in right order there.

 

Hope this is helping.

 

Jon

Twonky has a bug that screws up file order: drove me nuts when I could play classical works like opera in their correct track order. There is a fix that involves editing XML configuration files. I went through that exercise with Twonky running on my QNAP until I decided to abandon Twonky altogether. I now use Logitech Media Server with the UPnP plugin instead.

Posted on: 28 June 2013 by The Meerkat

Thanks to all...It's Friday night, and wine o'clock!  To be honest, looking at all thread on this, Twonky doesn't really come out on top. I've looked at an Asset/NAS, But it's double the price of the Qnap!

 

All I would stay, last night I downloaded a 'Muse' album in FLAC, from one of the Hi-Res sites. The result was fantastic. Twonky played it perfectly. 100% metadata. The sound was, "the dog's what's it's"

 

Thanks to you all that gave me advice...cheers!

Posted on: 28 June 2013 by Jon Myles

Glad you are liking it!

Enjoy the weekend listening.

 

Posted on: 29 June 2013 by ragman

The pitty with the flac meta data's is that you can often not cleare some entries.

Posted on: 29 June 2013 by RaceTripper
Originally Posted by ragman:

The pitty with the flac meta data's is that you can often not cleare some entries.

That's a problem with your software, not with FLAC per say. I use the Mac app Metadatics and have no problem changing or clearing metadata.

Posted on: 29 June 2013 by PhilP

I've also used Metadatics extensively over the past few weeks  (several hundred cd rips) and have been able to set all metadata exactly as I want it. I would certainly recommend trying it.