UnitiQute + 3rd Party DAC - (how) does it work?

Posted by: M_B on 19 January 2011

Another newbie question:

I have an old Mission Digital-Analogue-Converter box. And I have the UniQute (feeded from a NAS in my WLAN).

Is there a way I can make my DAC do the D/A converting job instead of using the Qute's internal DAC? Like:
Qute Digital Out -> Digital Cable -> Mission DAC Digital In -> Mission DAC Analogue Out -> Cinch Cable -> Qute Analogue In
(but then I'd have to listen to the music choosing the Analogue input and here actual music files from NAS via UPnP input would miss, right).

Does that work? Or would nothing happen (or could it even damage the Qute)?
Or would I somehow need to integrate the NAS itself within the logic (but no idea how the Hifi-DAC would step in a computer LAN/WLAN connection).
It feels kind of strange as I don't own standalone music source + stereo amp devices anymore but the all-in-one Qute?

Thanks much for any clarifications!
Best, M_B
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by Eloise
I don't believe you can use your UnitiQute this way...



You'd need a separate integrated amp (or pre and power amps) to utilise the UnitiQute with a separate DAC.



Eloise
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by M_B
Hm. Then I'm wondering why on the Naim page the upgrade path indicated you can add the Naim DAC to the Qute system? A separate amp is not mentioned there. But this Naim DAC seems to have more in/outputs than my Mission DAC.
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by 0rangutan
Eloise is right - this definitely won't work with a Qute.

I'm also a little sceptical that your older Mission DAC would outperform the one in the Qute?

John
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by Tog

I think the Qute unlike the Uniti has a digital out which allows it to act as a streamer into the nDac and then into either a Pre/Power or Integrated. Presumably like a cheap NDX but you would need an nDac to see a dfifference

The Uniti would need a dac feeding into it via analogue and thence act as an integrated amp or as a preamp (something it does rather well) - MacMini > M2Tech dac > Uniti  for example. This would also work for the Qute but you would probably have spent enough to justify an NDX by then.

The Qute's dac should be streets ahead of the Mission which is v old - a Cyrus Dac X + maybe but the differences will be minimal. The Uniti/Qute dacs are very good I would spend the money elsewhere - NAP 200 for example.

You can mix and match, perhaps even gain some sonic improvements but the point of these streamers is to take you away from the "box quest" and give you the chance to seamlessly listen to your music on high quality gear with the minimum of fuss.

Tog

Posted on: 19 January 2011 by Aleg
I don't see why you wouldn't be able to connect the Analogue Output from an external DAC to the Analogue Input of the Qute?

Nothing out of the ordinary there, that's what the analogue inputs are for.

Remains to be seen if it improves on the DAC in the Qute though.

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aleg
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by Tog
Aleg you can put the dac before the either the Qute or Uniti but the Qute can also use its dig out into a dac.

Tog
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by Aleg
The question of the OP was if he could use his Mission DAC in front of the analogue input of the Qute.

I would say yes.

Other possible uses or combinations were not the subject of the OP.

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aleg
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by M_B

First of all, thanks much for your quick and competent replies.

Have to admit I'm more confused now. :-) Re sound quality I'd love to definitely give it a try - always loved the sound change my old Mission DAC5 produced.

So, connection-wise, I think I have all the in/outputs and cables to do this: Qute Digital Out -> Digital Cable -> Mission DAC Digital In -> Mission DAC Analogue Out -> Cinch Cable -> Qute Analogue In

But I wonder where my actual music (streams from NAS to Qute via WLAN, separately from the DAC) comes into play here, if at all? My NAS won't be directly connected to the DAC.

Does the Qute will know
1. Oh, there's music coming via UPnP to me"
2. "Oh, and a DAC is connected to me in my Digital Out and back in my Analogue In"
3. "Well, thus I have to disable my internal DAC, and leave the music I got from NAS to that DAC via my Digital Out and get it back from DAC via Analogue In". Only then I will play the music

-> Will it work at all?

On my remote control I'm currently (no external DAC) used to pick "UPnP (PC)" as source. And here I have the tag menus (album, artist etc provided by NAS server) to scroll through. With the external DAC now attached as described above, I'd need to pick "Analogue" on my remote control - and maybe would theoretically hear some music but no chance to initiate / select the music as no album/artist etc menu?

Posted on: 19 January 2011 by Tog

"Is there a way I can make my DAC do the D/A converting job instead of using the Qute's internal DAC? Like:
Qute Digital Out -> Digital Cable -> Mission DAC Digital In -> Mission DAC Analogue Out -> Cinch Cable -> Qute Analogue In
(but then I'd have to listen to the music choosing the Analogue input and here actual music files from NAS via UPnP input would miss, right)."

If one wants to be picky aleg the OP was asking for advice on how to use their dac instead of the Qute's internal dac - using the analogue in will make the OP's streamer redundant. I think discussion of the dig out is quite reasonable in the circumstances. Especailly given that M_B uses a NAS as a source.

Tog     

Posted on: 19 January 2011 by Aleg

M_B

So, connection-wise, I think I have all the in/outputs and cables to do this: Qute Digital Out -> Digital Cable -> Mission DAC Digital In -> Mission DAC Analogue Out -> Cinch Cable -> Qute Analogue In

This is a different question than in your original post.

This second question won't be possible IMHO because the Qute can only select one input to process, so that is either the digital input or the analogue input. Both inputs as you ask in your second question won't be possible IMO.

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aleg

Posted on: 19 January 2011 by okli
you definitely can't do that - you have to choose UPnP input to be able to play the tracks from your NAS, how should you in parallel select another input (analog)? nDAC as upgrade is meant in a situation where you bypass the in-built power amp of the Qute und use it just as a digital source in combination with dedicated amplifier connected to the nDAC output.
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by M_B
Sorry, guess I'm too junior. My goal was/is to re-iterate my original question. I didn't want to add a 2nd one.

From your replies my guess is
- I cannot use my Qute (shall continue to play the music coming from my NAS) with an external DAC (which is directly connected to the Qute in/out as described above) who would convert that same NAS music.

an
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by Tog
Hi M_B

Okli is quite right

You can use your dac before or after your Qute but both choices have implications for the rest of your system.

If you attach the dac before the qute and use analogue in - you will retain the use of the Qute's amp but lose the streamer. Your source will need to feed the dac somehow so you could serve up music to a Sonos or Squeezebox from your NAS    eg. Nas > Sonos > dac > Qute > Speakers. I don't think that would be worth the effort but it would work.

If you use the dig out and attach the dac after the Qute (may need to fiddle with Qute settings) you lose the ability to use the Qute as your amp since it becomes a streamer (a good one) but only a streamer. I'm pretty certain you can't loop back via analogue - even if you could I'm not sure it would sound very good.
So you get NAS > Qute > dac > new integrated amp / preamp etc > speakers.

IMHO not really worth it - you already have a great little dac in the Qute.



Tog
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by M_B
Got it. Thanks everybody!
Posted on: 19 January 2011 by okli
Oh, I'm now "Senior Member" after the upgrade - haven't noted that till you mentioned "junior" - hmm, somehow don't like it, but I'll consider it as an honor