Bach Suites - some alternatives to Paul Tortellier

Posted by: Jasonf on 11 September 2013

Calling the Classic boffs

Chaps,

I have been listening to Paul Tortellier. Bach the Cello Suites. 1983 recording ripped from cd and it is sounding quite breathtaking when the volume is slightly higher than usual. I am sitting approx 2.5m from the Harbeth Compact 7es-3.

And it just occured to me that there are many recordings out there they may be even more sublime than this one. So if there are any forum members who can give some reference to alternative recordings and what these recordings would bring differently to the  Paul Tortellier version. Or perhaps this is considered superior to others, I just don't know.

Thanks in advance.

Jason.
Posted on: 11 September 2013 by Frenchnaim

There are lots of interesting recordings, old and new (perhaps not "more sublime", but different): Bylsma, Wispelwey (2 recordings), Fournier, Isserlis, Jean-Guihen Queyras, etc. We are really spoilt for choice.

 

Posted on: 11 September 2013 by Bert Schurink

I would recommend two to listen to:

 

 

Rough and pure:

 

Easy to listen to:

 

 

complete different - still exiting

 

 

Posted on: 11 September 2013 by Bert Schurink

P.s. I don't like Yo Yo Ma's version so much...

Posted on: 11 September 2013 by Frenchnaim

Excellent recommendations.

Posted on: 11 September 2013 by Dozey

Don't forget Casals, Yo Yo Ma and Rostropovich. All excellent. There is a high res version from Tunnicliffe on the Linn label.

 

My first wife was a viola player who used the suites to practice. I therefore also have a version played on the viola - Helen Callus - gives a different perspective.

Posted on: 11 September 2013 by Jasonf
Great Responce already, thanks chaps.

Just so that I can get some perspective, how would you consider the Tortellier recordings?

Jason.
Posted on: 12 September 2013 by Dozey

I consider the Tortelier recordings to be my favorite, if I am honest. But I have not heard  Bylsma, Wispelwey (2 recordings), Isserlis, Jean-Guihen Queyras.

 

I think different people respond to them in different ways. You should probably listen to excerpts on Amazon to see what you like. I like the dance movements to be really rhythmical and dance-like. I am still looking for my ideal interpretation. I have now been motivated to sample the versions I have not yet heard.

 

Posted on: 12 September 2013 by RaceTripper

I find Yo Yo Ma's interpretations boring and lifeless. He should stick to later works for which he is known.

 

My favorites are Janos Starker on Mercury, and Anner Bylsma's recording on a period instrument (I have the vinyl on RCA Germany).

Posted on: 12 September 2013 by m0omo0

Hi Jason,

 

Not that I can compare, but Jan-Erik recommended Anne Gastinel a while ago and I like it very much:

 

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...41#25078766220188441

 

HTH

Maurice

Posted on: 12 September 2013 by Jay Coleman
I'll second Janos Starker on Mercury.
Posted on: 12 September 2013 by T38.45
+1 Janos Starker
Posted on: 12 September 2013 by EJS

Glad to see Pieter Wispelwey mentioned, the Bach suites are some of this best recordings. He's made three so far, by the way - I particularly like his first and third (Bert's rec above). Another cellist I admire is Mischa Maisky, who goes pretty far in his first recording and almost re-envisages the music in his second recording. Pablo Casals is still worth hearing, in average mono - he set the stage for all others to follow. And I see nobody has mentioned Heinrich Schiff and Jaap ter Linden - both have recorded committed readings, which have become hard to find.

 

EJ

Posted on: 12 September 2013 by tooppy

I have Tortellier on LP and couldn't listen to it, extremely dull to say the least. May be he made few different recordings, I don't know.

So I bought Rotropovich on CD, what a relieve it was.

Then I got Bylsma on CD playing the "Servais" which is a Stradivarius and there goes my preference.

 

Posted on: 13 September 2013 by Dozey

I think there are two Tortellier sets on LP - one analog and one digital. I haven't compared them side by side, but my memory was that the analog version was better.

Posted on: 13 September 2013 by Richard Dane

I usually reach for this one first;

 

Posted on: 13 September 2013 by mutterback

Thank you all!  The Starker is available as a hi res download.

Posted on: 13 September 2013 by Jan-Erik Nordoen

Where?

Posted on: 13 September 2013 by Huwge

Worth a listen is Edgar Meyer's selection of suites on the double bass.

 

Martin Zeller is also good.

 

Default for me is Casals, but I quite like Bruno Cocset's version - I prefer Starker's Kodaly to his Bach, but have two vinyl copies nevertheless 

Posted on: 13 September 2013 by Arun Mehan

Yo Yo Ma's version has been my favourite for some time now. I'm surprised nobody mentioned Du Pre. I have her performing this on CD but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. 

 

Will definitely try some of the other recommendations. 

 

Arun

Posted on: 13 September 2013 by Jasonf
Originally Posted by mutterback:

       

Thank you all!  The Starker is available as a hi res download.


       


Yep, would really like to try out a HiRes download, where is it downloadable?

Jason.
Posted on: 13 September 2013 by RaceTripper
Originally Posted by Jasonf:
Originally Posted by mutterback:

       

Thank you all!  The Starker is available as a hi res download.


       


Yep, would really like to try out a HiRes download, where is it downloadable?

Jason.

 

The Janos Starker recordings are at HD Tracks. I cannot vouch for the quality. I have the Speakers Corner remastered versions on vinyl, which are excellent.

Posted on: 13 September 2013 by Ebor
Rostropovich for me every time, but I will hold m hands up to not having exhaustively compared every other version out there. If you search review sites, you'll find he excites as many people as he irritates. The good old Penguin Guide recommend him though, for what it's worth.

Mark
Posted on: 13 September 2013 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
Originally Posted by RaceTripper:
Originally Posted by Jasonf:
Originally Posted by mutterback:

Thank you all!  The Starker is available as a hi res download.

Yep, would really like to try out a HiRes download, where is it downloadable?

Jason.

The Janos Starker recordings are at HD Tracks. I cannot vouch for the quality. I have the Speakers Corner remastered versions on vinyl, which are excellent.

The HD Tracks is telling me that downloads are only available to US addresses.

 

I seem to recall someone mentioning a workaround. Any ideas?

 

Thanks

 

Jan

Posted on: 14 September 2013 by Aleg

Jan-Erik

 

it used to be possible to just use PayPal and no address in your account registration.

if they do IP-checking now you could try to use a (free) VPN.

Posted on: 14 September 2013 by Wugged Woy

The Tortelier Bach is really excellent to my ears. That is the 1961 recording on EMI (ADD). It's my go-to version.

 

I have a problem with Starker. Every time I listen to him, it sounds like he is sawing wood rather than playing the cello. Ah well, that's just me.