Almost ridiculous difference
Posted by: Jonas Olofsson on 05 October 2013
This upgrade surpriced me a lot. Less harsh, better bass and the whole sound is a lot fuller. Never easy to describe this kind of stuff in words but there is really no contest.
I guess this is common sense for most here that everything makes a difference, still I wasent preparerad how much better it would be.
Yes, its a capable system I use but at this level everything seams be important.
//Jonas
Hey ho, time for a bunny or two.
This one's for Jason.
Don't worry Tog, you get one too :
Go wireless, it's cheaper.
and, according to a Naim insider, it can sound better too, since it electrically decouples the source and the player...
Well, yes, but now you have a RF receiver right there next to your player. Wouldn't it be "noisy"?
Not if it's kept in it's own shielded 'quiet room'. Isn't this what is done in the streamers (e.g., NDS) to prevent the RF signal from contaminating sensitive electronics ? (shielded section on left side of image)
Especially for you Jan - one of my boys
Tog
umbridge
That's what radio is for an every day story of HiFi folk? 
I wonder if he would recommend 600 quid a metre ethernet cable throughout the house?
I would like to put my new audiophile cabling firm "TogTec" forward as the contractor for that job - shortly before I buy myself an island. I'm also developing a new ethernet cable that uses Quantum Foam theory to bind multiple coils of platinum around a core made of pure Togtanium (patent pending) - price on application - I call it the Absinthe Surprise ethernet cable. 
Tog
Tog...I know your favourite past time is peeing on the furniture, so maybe we should start a new thread called the 'litter tray' where you can show disdain to your hearts content.
Jason - interesting response - on the one hand there are a number of people who take instant umbridge whenever anyone disagrees with their views - however gently and on the other people who seemingly feel insulted if you fail to be absolutely serious. So let us set out our stall to avoid further misunderstanding.
1. I humbly choose to disagree with the argument that spending £600 on an ethernet cable is really going to make much difference to the sound.
2. I am not suprised or dismayed by the fact that there are those who disagree with me as that is one of the joys of both life and conversation.
3. In my experience there are only a few things in life that sould be taken totally seriously and take my word for it - hifi isn't one of them.
4. I note with interest that the very people who complain about dogmatism in this forum are coincidentally those most likely to get very upset and leave a thread when others disagree with them.
5. Some contributors to this thread have used their knowledge of electronics to question the scientific reasons why some people may experience differences between very similar cables. To me this seems less like dogmatism and more like intelligent argument but hey what do I know. Unfortunately, I inadvertently tried a more serious approach as a practising Social rather than Natural Scientist by suggested in all seriousness that the differences in sound quality might be explained by the perfectly respectable theory known as "Cognitive Bias". This was obviously a big mistake as it seems some people got confused and thought I was suggesting they were in fact lying when they heard a difference between ethernet cables. Easy mistake to make and that Nobel prize commitee really needs to take more care in future.
6. Finally, if you are going to attempt a convincing put-down try getting your facts right; cats pee on furniture to mark their territory not to show disdain for those around them. I know I know callous adherence to rationality but I'm a sucker for it.
7. If I'm hell bent on seeking only someone who will agree with me I've always found the bathroom mirror a good place to start.
Tog
PS My school reports did allude to a degree of annoying flippancy if it helps.
Hi Tog,
I read your posts and they are not as innocent as you make them out to be, just lots of justification for being sarcastic and rude and going by the last two posts, tedium seemed to have got the better of you, so I thought I would join in with some of your flippancy.
It turned out quite well as it inspired the 'LitterTray' thread which I thought would be a good idea. but perhaps it's not for you after all.
The natural instinct maybe to 'mark territories' but the material affect is disdain for the furniture...which according to my thinking, fits well here.
Jason.
Blimey, Jason a post that misses the point, deftly avoids dealing with the issues and yet still manages to mangle a childish insult with a complete disregard for logic - you really don't like people who disagree with you do you?
How can the material effect (please get it right) of a cat peeing on furniture imply that the cat is showing contempt or a lack of respect for the furniture whilst marking his territory. Since a cat is unlikely to have much of a conceptual grasp of either furniture or human emotions.
As for the litter tray it's nice to know that whilst my attempts at light-heartedness are sarastic and rude your chosen metaphor is both wholesome and witty.
If you are going to be rude at my expense at least do me the decency of making sense.
4/10
Tog
Tog – I am fully aware of its textbook inaccuracy.
In the context of a flippant remark, debating its accuracy is just another attempt to detract from my main point. And where in my posts do I come across as someone who hates to be wrong? I really think that you should review your last response to me.
Back to the point, having said that you have not heard these interconnects you continuously ridiculed and showed disdain toward the OP and his findings, even after the OP had declared himself thoroughly fed up with yours and other Forum members arrogant remarks toward him, and even after he left the bar. It does not matter how much you or anyone else attempt to dress these comments up with social science rational (who are you trying to kid), the lack of respect is very clear. And your continual assertion that your comments are meant with humour does not stand up, when on the one hand you attempt flippant and whimsy comments, then on the other debate accuracy to justify your poor attempt to hide disdain.
It really is that simple Tog.
Jason.
Especially for you Jan - one of my boys
Tog
Analysing... he doesn't seem too worried though.
Especially for you Jan - one of my boys
Tog
Analysing... he doesn't seem too worried though.
Great photo. Is this a new form of heat sync?
You also often see pre loved kit or sale from smoke and pet free homes !! Not the case here !!
Whats new pussycat. Woo a hoo a
Especially for you Jan - one of my boys
Tog
Analysing... he doesn't seem too worried though.
Great photo. Is this a new form of heat sync?
You also often see pre loved kit or sale from smoke and pet free homes !! Not the case here !!
Whats new pussycat. Woo a hoo a
Just for the record - I use Cat 5
Tog
Hers's the thing...
Years ago when I was first given a loan Uniti to demo at home by my dealer he supplied it with two metres of Altas Mavros cable.
As you can see, even as a kitten, one of my cats fell in love with not just the Naim sound but also its gentle warmth. He now spends most nights in the winter luxuriating on my Nap 200 and has made it clear that upgrading to a class D powered Devialet or Linn KDS is out of the question.
I have no idea if the Mavros speaker cable really made much of a difference to the sound quality but given that it would have cost me almost as much to buy as the Uniti I didn't lose much sleep when I changed to very good quality but slightly more reasonable Atlas product. However, the Mavros looked fantastic, was thicker than my thumb and was clearly made of exotic materials only found on the surface of passing comets - massive overkill for the Uniti but truly lovely shiny stuff.
I have no problem with the concept of good quality speaker cable having a tangible impact on sound quality. However, I'm also aware of the fact that had I spent £1900 on the Mavros my ears would have been heavily influenced in terms of justifying both the huge dent in my wallet and Mrs Tog's displeasure.
If I told you that my Naim gear sounds better at night, especially if it raining: would you believe me? Well to my ears it does. The effect is even more noticeable if I am in a good mood, drinking wine or if work has gone well during the day.
I suspect it might even sound better with a cat on top than without!
My point is this: I think much of what we hear is affected not only by the electronics but by what is going on between our ears.
Tog
Especially for you Jan - one of my boys
Tog
(part 2)
And to think I smiled at that picture. But cats make me smile. I like cats. I can massage them into total submission and a state of paralysis-inducing grace, though I do stop before respiratory arrest. However, the larger issue is the fact that I'm writing about it here instead of about the Supernait2 (deadline approaching). I know exactly what I want to say, but haven't found the words yet.
So a huge and hearty thanks guys, for reminding me again of how important time is.* At 58 it's a diminishing commodity (but one the Supernait2 handles quite magnificently).
Peace, as we used to say,
J-E
* and allowing me to practice here.