You need to update your system....

Crumbs, it only took five minutes last week.

It can take far less than five minutes, basically harry installed the 7.0.3 update I guess. And i presume he has a crap ISP.

Longer than five minutes, but that's OK, I can put the kettle on. It's the logging in (I don't use any online services), entering IDs, configuring things I don't need and asking me to set up things that I never use. We seem to be in an Apple shaped universe, compliant and grateful to them. Odd.

7.0.3 slows down my MBAir 2012 and MBP 2012 considerably?!

The infamous beach ball of death is back frequently  

I think that you really should be backing up to the iCloud backup service.  If your device goes you-know-what up, it's a very easy restore from iCloud.  The only other options are (a) no backup, or (b) backup by tethering to a computer and iTunes.

iCloud is free and awesome, but hey other cloud options are available to use on iPhone, I have dropbox and sugarsync on mine.

Apple are not tying you into anything, there is no benefit to iCloud for apple other than keeping us in, and the hopes some of us will want more than 5 gig. No one has a gun to anyones head. Ironically if you are signed up, it auto fills a lot of information for you when you first register devices.

All installations of OS X Mavericks and IOS7 have gone without a hitch for me.In particular my new Macbook Pro almost set itself up which was very jolly. 

Soon all my Apple devices will buy themselves upgrades, chat amongst themselves and commute to work whilst I lay down on a beach and close my eyes.....

Awesome indeed...

Tog

Shush, we are ignoring him.

Originally Posted by AllenB:Quick tip: try doing updates when not listening to music! 

I don't know when exactly that would be. If it updated in the background without user input, that would be OK. I have no problems with the speed of the update process but do not understand why it is necessary to go through so many interfaces that I don't use to get to the end of it. Why do you need an Apple ID to use nStream? Not to download it, but to just be allowed to use it again when the OS has updated? Why do I have to decline to set up security questions when I never use this facility. Why would I suddenly need a passcode when I have never used one? Why would I want to configure cloud services to use nStream? It's unnecessary force feeding and a waste of my time.

Harry my wife and I were discussing much the same -- I started to download the FREE OS X update for her Macbook Pro, and her iTunes Store account credit card info was out of date and we could not get FREE softward w/o a valid credit card.  With Microsoft, it'd just be a download from a website.

I guess the best "explanation" is that for most iOS device owners, and OS X owners, the single integrated iTunes/App Store model works quite nicely.  Apps purchased on one device automatically download on the rest.  Movies rented on one can be watched on another.  To get all of these devices to talk to the same account, the info "must" be entered into each (one part security, one part THEIR commerce model). 

As a customer, the system works well for me.  But that it "has" to be this way is off-putting to a smallish segment of the public.  Understandably. 

For as long as the version of Windows in use is supported, updates are continuous and free. Be that as it may, the updates occur in the background and are unobtrusive. Same with updating my Blackberry. I don't have to keep putting in passwords, account IDs and constantly tending it. It just works on its own.

First it was enter your Apple ID, which was OK but still puzzling, since it's for buying things. Later it added a series of stupid questions which meant nothing to me. Now a passkey. What next? Ring this number?

No worries mate, I will sign off from this topic.

(I was going to say Maverics, not 7.0.3)

Cheers

Ah, right I see what you mean. 

My moan is about the iOS patch. Not a point upgrade. The equivalent Windows or RIM update would be a free of charge, automatically applied service patch or background update, requiring no tending to. Set up the rules once and forget about it.  Neither tries to bend you into the vendor's requirements for services you don't use, facilities you don't want or protocols that you have consistently declined. 

I guess that if Naim would get their Android apps together I could forgo this attempted iClone conditioning. Apple appear to have become the new MS for intrusion and "our way or the highway". 

Still, hardly earth shaking I suppose. But I did feel moved, having gone through such a convoluted process for something so insignificant. Shan't bother next time.

I don't see any axe grinding from anywhere. Not much scope for a discussion if everybody just posts agreement. No discussion, in fact.

I bought the ipad air yesterday and had the same problems.

5 (yes 5) hours later I had music.

Regards

I bought a new iPhone (5S) yesterday and it was less than 30 minutes for me.  In less than 30 minutes I wiped my old phone, turned it in to the vendor, got the new one out of the box, signed into iCloud to restore all of my settings and aps, and had it up and running as before.

Having a current iCloud backup makes the process very simple and straightforward.  But of course some may have particular issues out of the ordinary.  My experience was as-above, however.

We have an ipad2, iPad3 and a mini.

Frustratingly all 3 devices refused to install any new applications after the update, although existing ones would auto-update.

I had to reset all of them and restored from the iCloud backups which required all the malarkey described so Harry, I feel your pain!

It does seem like Apple are losing their way with perfect releases, on the iOS7 release many applications didn't work properly (including nStream, Sonos etc) which were OK in the final test release, and we have already had 2 further bug fix releases for iOS7.  Not saying they are any worse than the other culprits but not as good as they once were.

Richard

FWIW microsoft may well do background updates on point release but certainly not for major ones, where they charge you, if you don't go through the rigmarole you ain't getting it.

Further more windows phone let you download sod all until you sign up for an account with LIVE.

Android won't let you have anything until you sign up with PLAY, and when first install their softwares you go through a process to enter your details.

I don't understand the pointing out of apple in this regard. iCloud is an essential part of the OS, if you have not got it, you simply don't know what your are missing and are hobbling your experience as a result.

In order to download anything you have to be signed up to all these vendors 'stores' its the future get on board.

I have just got my mobile phone paypal key, apparently I can now pay at lots of places with my mobile phone, should be interesting.

I am struggling to understand why it took five hours to use an apple device unless you were trying to do an update over 2g or something daft. They will do that for you FOC in an apple store.

This sounds potentially interesting. What can iCloud do for nStream? Can you store your preferences , playlists, stuff like that remotely? I have business critical files synced with Adobe Creative Cloud and two PCs. I can see the benefit. Although again, when updates are applied, Adobe don't pester me at length for all my security information, my Adobe ID or password setup procedures.If nServe (the only reason I run an iDevice) can be enhanced by iCloud it's a trick I'm missing and should look into.

In retrospect a poor analogy.